Oh. Well, maybe he resets every time a fantasy doesn't work, never choosing the exact same one twice regardless.
A better Kirk Nexus fantasy?
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Kirk and Spock are in bed together and Antonia makes all of them breakfast and brings it to the bedroom. When Picard shows up, he adjusts the saddles (knows a thing or two about saddles) and the four of them ride off together.
Concurrently, Dr. Soran destroys the Veridian system and jumps in the Nexus. I think this might be entertaining, but the movie would be 20 minutes shorter.
Concurrently, Dr. Soran destroys the Veridian system and jumps in the Nexus. I think this might be entertaining, but the movie would be 20 minutes shorter.
Maybe, but I never felt that Kirk had any kind of feeling of regret over lost time with his son, even after David died. As a matter of fact, Carol makes it very clear that she wanted David in her life, not his, because he was too busy gallivanting across the galaxy, and Kirk apparently agreed with her.
In the context of Generations, at least, both Kirk and Picard seemed to have their Nexus fantasies generated from immediate feeling of losses: Kirk the loss of command, and Picard the loss of his family. For Picard however, his fantasy of having a family is also immediate, but for Kirk, his fantasy starts with his retirement for some odd reason (well, not odd for the scriptwriters, since the whole point of it was to get Kirk out of the Nexus).
This is why, despite whatever the claim is, I think the nexus actually isn't about granting someone their ultimate fantasy, or greatest personal fulfillment. For Picard, up until the event that killed his family, he almost never thinks about family, heritage, familial legacy etc.... This may be the ONLY time in the character's existence, when he's preoccupied with that, (No more Picards) because of the recentness of their deaths. His fantasy reflects what's predominantly on his mind of late.
Now consider the state of the Kirk, who was onboard the 1701-B, at the time he got caught in the Nexus. He's retired, edgy about not being a captain anymore, still longing for it, but in a way that implies that he shouldn't necessarily, because that's not his life anymore. His life? Living in retirement with some woman he loves. So what's HIS mind been preoccupied with predominantly? Telling her he wants to give up that life & go back to Starfleet. So when he ends up in the Nexus, the thing it gives him is the joy of a moment where he finds himself embracing his secret desire to tell that woman just that. It's not his greatest fantasy, or personal fulfillment. It's his most recent craving.
So, from what's shown, the Nexus isn't some personal heaven created by you. I think it must be a kind of telepathic mind, that's intent is to read from its inhabitants what's on their mind & give them something to quench that thirst. Think of it kind of the way that alien kid was trying to give Will Riker what he thought he'd want in Future Imperfect.
In that way, the fantasies given to both captains make sense, because those were their cravings, the moment they entered. Now from what Guinan states, I suppose it's possible that they can change their minds & find themselves in different fantasies, but if that were the case, why the hell would Kirk still be caught in that log chopping nonsense, after so many years? In a strange way, I feel like that nexus is a damn hell that makes you continue to live out quenching the same thirst for eternity, that just happened to be in the forefront of your mind at the time you entered.
It's kind of like if you'd been thinking a lot about changing your hairstyle lately, & then got trapped in the nexus, you'd always be heading to the salon deciding to change your hairdo. It took quite a lot to break Kirk out of that rut, as if it robbed him of some free will beyond that thirst quenching. So as tragic as his death was, at least he got freed from that prison of his own mindless desire, imho
This reminds me that the Nexus is never in any way explained (outside of a random novel treating it as an elastic band a young Q snaps off into the cosmos), nor it's purpose or function. It's literally a magic plot device.
"Time is the fire in which we burn." (I heard that someplace.) I guess some would say the nexus puts it out.
This is how I've always interpreted it. The first fantasy is basically the Nexus tutorial, and is generated based on whatever is playing on the person's mind at the time they enter it (Kirk misses command, Picard thinks he's lost the opportunity to have a family).
As part of the narrative of the film and Kirk's arc, he couldn't have any better fantasy than retirement. If he was back on the bridge of the Enterprise in the 2260s, or living it up with Gary Mitchell at the academy, he would have no reason to leave. Don't forget he wasn't initially interested in saving the universe; it was only when he realised after jumping the fantasy gorge a couple of times that the Nexus wasn't real, that he really did miss the Enterprise, and that he was never going to be satisfied there. This was the second part of his three-part arc in the film; the first part is on the Enterprise-B where he's in a funk and coasting through retirement. The arc concludes with him about the jump for the controller and getting the same sense of exhilaration from that as he did jumping the real gorge all those times on his horses.
Then he certainly wouldn't say "it was fun".
Living with those women he fell in love and then forgot the following week, including Edith 'love of his life' Keeler.
No I would find that sad and pathetic that their greatest fantasy is to go back to the office. A fantasy, definitely, The fantasy..just no.
No one would regret doing that, not even on their death bed.
(A genie grants you one wish and you use it to go back to work)
They couldn't really show the fantasies that most men would have.
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Kirk enjoying Spock massaing his back on the bridge
Yeoman Barrows would be my choice, but to each his own.
Yes, that’s exactly what it was. A magical plot device to get Kirk and Picard together in the most contrived and goofy way possible. And don’t bother to try to sort out the logic behind it, because the writers sure didn’t.
Yeah but if thats all they wanted, there are so many easier ways.
There's even supposedly a script out there where Picard summoned Kirk on the holodeck for advice...
