9X02 "The Witch's Familiar" Grading/Discussion)

[Marsden]

The New Paradigm Daleks are the result of the crayon lobby getting too powerful.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I thought the "color because we can" Daleks from the Cushing movies were enough.

 

[PorthosShadow]

I thought the "color because we can" Daleks from the Cushing movies were enough.

At least The New Paradigm Dalek's have energy weapons instead of air guns

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I thought the "color because we can" Daleks from the Cushing movies were enough.

I liked those. They were easy to kill

 

[RoJoHen]

If they already knew, then why did Davros react with shock at hearing of it?

Some thoughts:

-Just because the Daleks knew doesn't mean Davros did. They don't actually report to him.

-Maybe he did know and was feigning surprise?

But wasn't that back when they were afraid of the threat of Gallifrey returning versus knowing it's actually out there?

Same thing, isn't it? It can't return unless it is out there. The threat of Gallifrey returning proves its existence.

The ones over Trenzalore were most likely the paradigm/pure Daleks. The ones on Skaro were the Davros infused ones.

There were no New Paradigm Daleks in Time of the Doctor.

For all we know, from Davros' perspective, this episode takes place before the events of "Time of the Doctor," so he wouldn't know about Trenzalore and Gallifrey yet.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

So we accept that everyone in the universe knows that Gallifrey's hidden off somewhere?

 

[The Wormhole]

So we accept that everyone in the universe knows that Gallifrey's hidden off somewhere?

Well, that was basically the point of Time of the Doctor, everyone in Time and Space were detected the signal leading them to Trenzalore where it was revealed that Gallifrey still exists.

 

[matthunter]

So we accept that everyone in the universe knows that Gallifrey's hidden off somewhere?

Well, that was basically the point of Time of the Doctor, everyone in Time and Space were detected the signal leading them to Trenzalore where it was revealed that Gallifrey still exists.

Or people assumed that it was another attempt to break free from within the Time Lock, as with Rassilon's plan in The End of Time... then when the rift sealed after the Time Lords gave the Doctor his new twelve-pack presumably everyone figured they'd failed and were locked away again.

As for the cup of tea, I prefer to imagine the Doctor always has one on him, like Eddie Hitler's "Emergency Bitter" in Bottom - just carried out, miraculously unspilt or gone cold, in one of his pockets. Started doing it after that problem with his regeneration in The Christmas Invasion. Why rely on Jackie Tyler for a restoring infusion of free radicals and tannins?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Do the people/things inside the timelock know that they are locked in time?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Do the people/things inside the timelock know that they are locked in time?

I would imagine for them time continues inside the lock, and to us it's like a bubble containing them and we only see what we see.

 

[Captrek]

There may be different rules for Time Lords than for other beings/things inside the lock.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Doctor kills everyone on the last day. (spoilers) (not)

Why would the Daleks walk into that?

Why would the Timelords either?

 

[matthunter]

Do the people/things inside the timelock know that they are locked in time?

Rassilon and the High Council seemed to in TEOT...

 

[PorthosShadow]

There may be different rules for Time Lords than for other beings/things inside the lock.

I don't know, the concept of The Time Lock seemed more like a convenient plot device to keep The Doctor as the last of his kind and for good. It seems as if the idea wasn't given a whole lot of thought like the rules in Gremlins which make little sense if you stop and think about it for a minute.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

To me the time lock feels like a self-imposed measure of the Time Lords, to contain the war to whatever eras and places it had already spread.
They locked themselves in fully knowing they could no longer freely travel as before, but at least the Daleks (appeared to be) contained as well.

 

[PorthosShadow]

The impression that I got from "The End Of Time" that the time lock only encompassed the final day of The Time War.

 

[MacLeod]

The impression that I got from "The End Of Time" that the time lock only encompassed the final day of The Time War.

Doesn't Journey's End imply that other parts were locked as Dalek Caan was able to break the lock. Perhaps it's more a case of the part of it that is locked is when the fighting actually began rather than early moves such as The Doctor going back in time to the creation of the Daleks.

 

[PorthosShadow]

The impression that I got from "The End Of Time" that the time lock only encompassed the final day of The Time War.

Doesn't Journey's End imply that other parts were locked as Dalek Caan was able to break the lock. Perhaps it's more a case of the part of it that is locked is when the fighting actually began rather than early moves such as The Doctor going back in time to the creation of the Daleks.

Now that you mention it, they did state that Dalek Caan rescued Davros before he was killed at the beginning of The Time War.

 

[Mr Light]

The entire war was Time Locked.

 

[Marsden]

^And since the entire war spread across the universe from the beginning of time until the end....