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[Robert Simmons]

In checking the Stills the Pedal table wall measures to 11 feet 3 inches. The Journey To Babel floor plan shows that wall at 10 feet with the 9 inches added back into the door panel. Will experiment with scraps of onion skin traces to try to reconcile the difference and match the wall and table alignments.

Break down of the wall from TOS stills yields the following measurements...measured from center to center of the spacers between the panels. Subtract 1 in and 1/2 for panel spacers for true panel measurements.

Corridor Entrance Door panel - 1 ft ( 10 1/2 in )
Next panel - 1 ft 6 in ( 1 ft 4 1/2 in )
Pedal panel - 4 ft 3in ( 4 ft 1 1/2 )
Display Readout panel - 3 ft 3 in ( 3 ft 1 1/2 in )
Next panel by door - 1 ft 3 in. ( 1 ft 1 1/2 in )

Steve Sardanis's "Journey To Babel" floor plan shows this breakdown with the 9 inches added back in...

Corridor Entrance Door panel - 9 in ( 7 1/2 in )
Next panel - 1 ft 3 in ( 1 ft 1 1/2 in )
Pedal Panel - 3 ft ( 2 ft 10 1/2 in )
Between panel - 1 ft 9 in ( this panel in TOS stills does not exist...1 ft 7 1/2 in )
Display Readout panel - 3 ft ( 2 ft 10 1/2 in )
Next panel by door - 1 ft 3 in ( 1 ft 1 1/2 in )

* Donny I'd like you to weigh in here on what you encountered when you modeled the Exam Ward and if you ran into the same problem and how you dealt with it.

 

[Robert Simmons]

Ok experimenting with onion skin cutouts of carious things and arranging them to match stills with the 11ft 3 inch pedal table wall, this is the result. The following clean up sheet resolves the problem. But in the process throws the wall between the Exam room and McCoy's Office 2 1/2 feet into the office further constricting the space and distorting the room. Tried the idea of swinging the doorway wall between the office and the Medlab but this produces a more distorted foot print for the office and constricting camera space in front of the Medlab table. Although this drawing solves the problems with the TOS still measured wall, it introduces a worse problem to the Office and MEdlab sets. Unacceptable to me. I've been proceeding on the assumption the general measurements of everthing else has not been error in the Sardanis sheet for the Exam Room / Journey To Babel plans. I may have to just go on the assumption of the shorter wall, and divide up the panel spacing to match TOS stills which seems to be the easiest solution to preserve the wall positions between the sets and not distort their footprint. But is it the correct one? Back to square one....

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x04/TOS_2x10_MirrorMirror0371-Trekpulse.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x20/returntotomorrow_428.jpg

 

[Robert Simmons]

Decided to back up to the last place before the measurements went off. Donny deserves credit for helping come to that. have minimally enough to begin joining the inboard sets together. For now in the Exam Ward am going with temp panels so to get the walls up an lock in the space. Will replace with correct cut out panels after all the inboard set walls are up. Been worn out lately and crashing at 8pm for the past 3 weeks and made little progress due to that. Plan on hitting this hard over the holiday weekend. I'm wanting to do another total assembled pics of the entire stage 9 model. But this time more than one photo from different angles. That should hopefully be within a couple of weeks. Will need to make the panel corrections in the corridor to correct the mismatch to the quarters set and one panel between the sickbay and McCoy's Office door that is scale 6 inches oversized. Also am beginning to entertain the option of building the mini corridor between the Briefing Room and Kirk's Quarters. If I do I'll see if I can scare up enough reference to also build the agony booth. Other than that it is basically ready to completely fall together. Now the problem is how to juggle the space in the kitchen to take the new set of pics. Have an idea how to work around that with it fully assembled.

 

[Q2UnME]

^Do you have a garage for your cars? I'll back a car or two out of the garage and use that space for construction from time to time. Usually gives me 12' X 20' of space for big projects. Might be enough room to set it all up.

Just a thought..

Q2

 

[Robert Simmons]

^Do you have a garage for your cars? I'll back a car or two out of the garage and use that space for construction from time to time. Usually gives me 12' X 20' of space for big projects. Might be enough room to set it all up.

Just a thought..

Q2

I used to do printing for my church and am getting rid of the equipment in my garage soon giving it away. Currently it holds 2multilith 1250s, 1 4 color process camera, light board, large plate maker, 3 t Heads, and lots of parts and supplies. I'm hoping to have that carried off in a month. When the space is clear I will be using the free space to take pics of it assembled. I will be hesitant to do so on humid days with the cardboard stock models since the garage does not have weather seals for the garage doors.

 

[Robert Simmons]

Fortune smiles on me. All the printing equipment and supplies were hauled off yesterday and the other entire garage was cleaned up and swept out. So fully assembled pics in the next week after other honey do's are caught up.

 

[Robert Simmons]

Finally rid of that printing equipment I've had since 1998. First time I have had free space in my garage. It went from this last Saturday…

To this….

This is for those wanting precise model builder plans to build full scale. Those only wanting builder builder plans need not apply.

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

Totally awesome, Robert!

 

[Bernard Guignard]

Very nice

 

[cardinal biggles]

That is awesome beyond words. Excellent work!

 

[Robert Simmons]

TY.

 

[B.J.]

I know that equipment!!! My dad had his own print shop (I basically grew up in that place after school), and still had a lot of the equipment in his garage until recently. He sold it off and has effectively retired now.

 

[Robert Simmons]

I know that equipment!!! My dad had his own print shop (I basically grew up in that place after school), and still had a lot of the equipment in his garage until recently. He sold it off and has effectively retired now.

Well I hope doing printing was more kind to your dad than it was for me. I burned out doing the freebie stuff and people making demands for high end Heidelberg quality on a small press. It can be done but is very demanding of the pressman who knows what he is doing reaching deep into his understanding of the machine to make it do more than being a crap duplicator as it was originally designed for. ( exact sheet register with exact color matching with good impression cylinder pressure to cleanly reproduce 150 dpi full length of the cylinder half tone screens with tight knockout 2 color work with no trapping on the digital film separations. Doing freebie work for a young pastor who thinks if it can work on a copier it should work on a press. Man these low end desktop authoring packages have made people dangerous to a experienced master pressman expecting more because a push button copier can do it. It broke me and I've lost my butt doing the freebie stuff most of the time. Not worth it if people are going to use you hard and not pay you for it. ) Originally I got the stuff cheap as a hobby to give me something to focus on immediately in the wake of a divorce. Most guys would buy a car to restore to keep their mind off it. But no I had to go buy some worn out printing equipment listed in the paper planning to use it as a hobby. The stuff was in pretty horrid shape so I felt it should keep me busy since I knew how to fix this stuff. What I didn't plan on was people I knew all of a sudden started throwing print jobs at me unexpectedly before I felt the equipment were anywhere close to throwing live jobs on them. Took a lot of reaching hard at first to keep from ruining simple letter heads and envelopes since I had not replaced the ink and water rollers and had the necessary time to run them in to find the proper roller pressures on the fly. About June 2011 I finally had it and said no more and they have set collecting dust ever since. The pics I posted of them in my garage was not current and are 3 years old. I had a 3rd press in the garage I rebuilt for my church but they had it here during a remodel. And the garage was much more messy with stuff than seen in the pics I posted.

I hope your dad walked away from printing without any frustrations with his dignity intact. Copiers pretty much killed it for me. It the old days pre press took much more prevent defensive effort to make printing look good before it ever hit the press. I wish the people I printed for had learned that. In the old days they would have been laughed out of any serious print shop.

 

[B.J.]

Yeah, my dad had it bit better, but not great. He started in the '70s with his own business, and rarely did anything more than single-color, even up to a few years ago. Because of the timing, he was able to maintain a fairly decent set of consistent customers over the years. It was a lot of work though, consisting of many late nights. I don't believe he ever did freebie stuff, but he did have to work for trades many times. I know it was difficult in the later years convincing customers what was possible. Not exactly related specifically to printing, but his experiences convinced me to never go into business for myself!

 

[Robert Simmons]

After the hassle of clearing the garage so I could assemble everything to photograph I decided to take some time off to avoid burnout. Been using this time to remodel the garage into a drafting studio thus tripling my work space. As per RedGeneral's suggestions I bought some modeling clay and some resin and molding compounds to sculpt and mold the burke chairs. A friend also made a request that I revise blueprint one of the bridge stations so he could build it for his computer station for his house, thus speeding up my work on the outer bridge ring study and modeling and drafting. I will begin research for that this week. When a complete profile is assembled from the TOS stills I'll make a final study model of the bridge to MGAgen's bridge proportions.

On a related note of accuracy for those seeking to build these sets. I wish all the best and success in doing it. And as all fans I wish we all would help each others and not hose each other other. I hate fan politics. I hate dishonesty. And for almost the past half century Trek and sci fi fans have been viewed as the lower underbelly of society and viewed and treated disrespectfully. I personally think that Trek fans are better and deserving than that, and should treat each other like they want to be treated. No games. I detest when people get hurt due to greed. If success dictates lying, and hurting others then that is one line I refuse to cross. And I hope others out there in fandom would feel the same way also. We spent so much time to get this far in fandom. We don't need to be tearing the community apart. We all lose when it happens.

 

[Mytran]

That's a great looking work space, it seems you've put your "off " time to good use!

 

[feek61]

Looking forward to your progress and as usual; great job so far!

 

[Robert Simmons]

That's a great looking work space, it seems you've put your "off " time to good use!

Thanks. I got tired of running out of room in my loft, and tripping over everything since I store the models up there. And grabbing everything I need to work and taking it down to the kitchen was wearing me out going up and down those stairs before and after working on it each night. I was losing about half of my productive time on this project due to moving everything each time I worked on it. Hopefully I will be more productive since everything is down in the garage now. That is except the models since I have no humidity control in the garage and I don't want the cardstock on the models to draw moisture and deform and wreck the models. Still working on the details if I'll still be building in the kitchen on days when the moisture is high.

Looking forward to your progress and as usual; great job so far!

Thank you. May you kick ass in your results.

 

[MGagen]

Robert,

So happy to see you at work again. Congratulations on the re-purposed space! I can't say enough in praise of your dedication and methods. I am following your project with rapt attention.

Having school-aged kids, I don't find the time to devote to this hobby that I once did; but I can experience a vicarious thrill following your progress.

Bravo, too, your philosophy of respect and honesty. Too often fannish debates turn personal and nasty. Honest discussion and mutual respect (even when there are differences) are always the best policy.

I'm happy to see my research prove useful. I'll keep in touch and pipe up if I find anything else that might be of interest to you.

M.

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

Excellent progress on the space! Looking forward to more of your work sooN!