There could be any number of explanations for that. Hell, maybe space creature goes off for a couple of years, grows, and returns to plant a new egg. As-is, it just made everything seem too pat IMO, at least.
8X07 "Kill The Moon" (Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)
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Was that the space whale that carries Britain on it's back in a couple years?
Meanwhile did the moon go, when the Daleks stole the Earth?
Meanwhile did the moon go, when the Daleks stole the Earth?
The Moonbase meshes surprisingly (well, perhaps not given the number of fans working on the show) with this; in 2049 Earth is being affected by freak gravitational effects from the Moon; by 2070 there's a Moonbase with a gravitational manipulation device up there, which has been there for '20 years or so'; if we assume Hobson (or maybe it was Benoit) was rounding up a little, then the gravitron could now be seen as having initially been built as a precaution against this sort of crisis.
So in other words, Clara just turned a species that had no problem with killing an innocent creature to save their own necks loose to conquer and enslave its way across space. Thanks.
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^ Harsh but arguably fair.
Thinking about it, wouldn't it make more sense dramatically for Courtney to have made the decision? It's hard to tell at first glance but Courtney was trying to push the button but Clara beats her. I guess there's a bit of irony with having Clara be the one who makes Courtney less special after the Doctor puts her in position to be but I don't think that's what they were going for.
This episode is easily the worst of this series so far, and the worst NuWho episode since Nightmare in Silver (which, admittedly, not counting specials was only about 8 episodes ago). The "conflict" wasn't even a conflict. Even if it turned out to be ok, the astronaut was right in her choice. The entire Earth deserved to live more than the moon creature.
I think I'm starting to hate Clara. She's obnoxious, and just very unlikeable. She was much better with the 11th Doctor. She really seems to be full of herself nowadays, and her little fit at the end was horrible. I think she could easily became the worst NuWho companion for me. Martha Jones has that title right now, not because she was horrible but because she was completely bland. Clara is becoming an outright bad character, and having Danny Pink around just makes her worse.
I wish The Doctor really would go a long way away, and never appear to this idiot again. Clara could definitely be in the running as my most hated companion. Now, she may improve in the rest of the series, I did like her well enough with the 11th Doctor after all. She could have a turn around and go back to being at least an enjoyable companion. But, if it keeps going like this she could also surpass Mel as my most hated companion, which I never thought would happen. It just depends on how the rest of the series goes.
The next episode looks good, though, and hopefully we won't have to see Clara in it. A space train with mummies, The Doctor, and no Clara. This has the potential to be the best episode of Capaldi's run yet.
Also, another big problem with this episode is that the child actress was horrible. Does Britain just have no good child actors? I know that good child actors in general are rare, but I think every one I've seen on Doctor Who has been pretty bad. I mean, the actor in this episode wasn't as bad as the kid in Fear Her, but she was really obnoxious. To be fair, she's also been written badly, but she only isn't the worst character in the episode because of how bad Clara was.
I think I'm starting to hate Clara. She's obnoxious, and just very unlikeable. She was much better with the 11th Doctor. She really seems to be full of herself nowadays, and her little fit at the end was horrible. I think she could easily became the worst NuWho companion for me. Martha Jones has that title right now, not because she was horrible but because she was completely bland. Clara is becoming an outright bad character, and having Danny Pink around just makes her worse.
I wish The Doctor really would go a long way away, and never appear to this idiot again. Clara could definitely be in the running as my most hated companion. Now, she may improve in the rest of the series, I did like her well enough with the 11th Doctor after all. She could have a turn around and go back to being at least an enjoyable companion. But, if it keeps going like this she could also surpass Mel as my most hated companion, which I never thought would happen. It just depends on how the rest of the series goes.
The next episode looks good, though, and hopefully we won't have to see Clara in it. A space train with mummies, The Doctor, and no Clara. This has the potential to be the best episode of Capaldi's run yet.
Also, another big problem with this episode is that the child actress was horrible. Does Britain just have no good child actors? I know that good child actors in general are rare, but I think every one I've seen on Doctor Who has been pretty bad. I mean, the actor in this episode wasn't as bad as the kid in Fear Her, but she was really obnoxious. To be fair, she's also been written badly, but she only isn't the worst character in the episode because of how bad Clara was.
I did like the idea of Space Mexicans though complete with a flag and a serape draped over a chair.
First thing first, did anyone notice next week's episode was mentioned at the end of "Big Bang" when the 11th Doctor gets a phone call about an egyptian goddess loose on the orient express...in space.
As for this episode another average for me (3rd in a row now). The inital horror aspect was thrown away, which was a huge disappointment after a good start. The kid was annoying and really we didn't need her in it and hope we never have her in it again. The science was really bad even for Doctor Who's standards and this episode killed Clara for me and I had no real issues with her until this week. She acted in such a hyperbolic manner and I really don't care for her or Mr Pink's attitude towards the Doctor anymore. They just had her explode for no real reason especially after the other things she's gone through with him.
Time for a new companion please and I think I prefered the more story arc season stuff we have had for the moffat era to random standalone episodes every week.
As for this episode another average for me (3rd in a row now). The inital horror aspect was thrown away, which was a huge disappointment after a good start. The kid was annoying and really we didn't need her in it and hope we never have her in it again. The science was really bad even for Doctor Who's standards and this episode killed Clara for me and I had no real issues with her until this week. She acted in such a hyperbolic manner and I really don't care for her or Mr Pink's attitude towards the Doctor anymore. They just had her explode for no real reason especially after the other things she's gone through with him.
Time for a new companion please and I think I prefered the more story arc season stuff we have had for the moffat era to random standalone episodes every week.
Does the yo-yo...I mean...gravity tester, count as a quote?
I give that a pass as they explained that in the episode as the world had given up on space travel and that it was recovered from a museum.
Good continuity with past DW adventures in this one.
Anyone notice the mention of the DVD with the homing program on it?
The Doctor even mentions Courtney better hold on to the console to not be left behind like Sally Sparrow and friend.
The science was just silly. No matter if the moon is an egg or not, it can't generate extra mass that fast.
And then a freshly born space creature instantly laying a new egg of comparable mass...
Ok , that aside (unbelieavle amunt of suspension of disbelieve!
), the drama in this episode was top notch!
Has there ever been such arift between Doctor and Companion?
The way the story was structured, I found both of them were entirely right in their positions and reasoning and the conflict and rift bewetween them quite inevitable.
I really hope, Moffat doesn't chicken out and handwave it away in the next 2 episodes.
Though ultimately the Doctor probably has to beg her forgiveness I think.
But things should never be as they've been ever again between them.
I voted great, because of the wonky science, other than that, brilliant drama.
And despite of all the sci-fi window dressing with gigantic eggs and space creatures and spiders, this story was all about the drama between the Doctor and his companion.
Kudos.
Anyone notice the mention of the DVD with the homing program on it?
The Doctor even mentions Courtney better hold on to the console to not be left behind like Sally Sparrow and friend.
The science was just silly. No matter if the moon is an egg or not, it can't generate extra mass that fast.
And then a freshly born space creature instantly laying a new egg of comparable mass...
Ok , that aside (unbelieavle amunt of suspension of disbelieve!
), the drama in this episode was top notch!Has there ever been such arift between Doctor and Companion?
The way the story was structured, I found both of them were entirely right in their positions and reasoning and the conflict and rift bewetween them quite inevitable.
I really hope, Moffat doesn't chicken out and handwave it away in the next 2 episodes.
Though ultimately the Doctor probably has to beg her forgiveness I think.
But things should never be as they've been ever again between them.
I voted great, because of the wonky science, other than that, brilliant drama.
And despite of all the sci-fi window dressing with gigantic eggs and space creatures and spiders, this story was all about the drama between the Doctor and his companion.
Kudos.
Which fits with the second Doctor's story right? Where mankind had given up on manned rockets in favor of T-mat technology?
That's a reference to The Seeds Of Death.
Pretty good episode. I could see both sides of the Doctor/Clara argument. He's right--it wasn't his decision to make but it was wrong to put them in that position. And though while I think Clara overreacted a bit at the end, she's right to call him out on his snark. That's one thing I don't like about Capaldi's Doctor...he's too snarky and patronizing. And sometimes, people like that do go too far.
Edit: And now that I think of it, to talk that way about someone who saved your life a million times like she did in The Name of the Doctor...that's totally unfair. She's right...she should've slapped him.
This season is making me sigh. They're forcing conflict between the Doctor and Clara. And the retconning/changing of Clara's character that started in "Deep Breath" is what's driving it. It was magic between her and 11. She became my favorite companion in just a few episodes and I loved the relationship between her and the 11th Doctor. And she was smart. She was different. She was intuitive to him.
Now....I don't know. I guess they're setting up Jenna's exit but it seems...forced.
Edit: And now that I think of it, to talk that way about someone who saved your life a million times like she did in The Name of the Doctor...that's totally unfair. She's right...she should've slapped him.
This season is making me sigh. They're forcing conflict between the Doctor and Clara. And the retconning/changing of Clara's character that started in "Deep Breath" is what's driving it. It was magic between her and 11. She became my favorite companion in just a few episodes and I loved the relationship between her and the 11th Doctor. And she was smart. She was different. She was intuitive to him.
Now....I don't know. I guess they're setting up Jenna's exit but it seems...forced.
Since we are on a Trek board I was wondering if, when the moon hatched, anyone else thought the creature was the Great Bird of the Galaxy? Because that's what I thought. 
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Bird_of_the_Galaxy
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Bird_of_the_Galaxy
I would have blown the moon up. You just don't play Russian Roulette with the planet.
I'm kind of mixed on this episode, mainly because of Clara and her decisions. It's certainly well-acted, presenting a very good dilemma and I do love a Doctor Who astronaut story. The Moon being an egg is certainly inventive. Liked that they took Courtney with them. And hey, the Doctor has a yoyo again! What that supposed to be the callback to a previous episode? There was supposed to be one in this episode.
But like I said with Clara, you just don't play Russian Roulette with the fate of the planet. Then her speech made me wish the Doctor would have just opened up the TARDIS doors and told her to get out. In typical Moffat style, she threatens to slap him again. And I agree that Danny was the one being patronizing at the end.
It's hilarious that Clara actually thought humanity would side with her vague statement. Or that they would side with her even if she had given more information. The fact that humanity wanted to blow it up with refreshing from a storyline standpoint.
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I'm kind of mixed on this episode, mainly because of Clara and her decisions. It's certainly well-acted, presenting a very good dilemma and I do love a Doctor Who astronaut story. The Moon being an egg is certainly inventive. Liked that they took Courtney with them. And hey, the Doctor has a yoyo again! What that supposed to be the callback to a previous episode? There was supposed to be one in this episode.
But like I said with Clara, you just don't play Russian Roulette with the fate of the planet. Then her speech made me wish the Doctor would have just opened up the TARDIS doors and told her to get out. In typical Moffat style, she threatens to slap him again. And I agree that Danny was the one being patronizing at the end.
It's hilarious that Clara actually thought humanity would side with her vague statement. Or that they would side with her even if she had given more information. The fact that humanity wanted to blow it up with refreshing from a storyline standpoint.
"My granny used to post on Tumblr."
(Sigh...was it really that hard to Google the age of the moon? 100 million years my...unless he's saying that egg-hatching/re-laying happens every 100 million years. OK, science nerd complaint retracted.)
First, I am relieved that my predictions about Courtney proved incorrect. Hopefully we'll meet her older self somewhere down the line.
That's definitely what I saw. Clara was just a hair faster than her. That said, I'm assuming the older President Courtney (remembering these events from her earlier perspective) would have addressed the world in the aftermath and made some big point against Man nuking first and asking questions later.
Looking ahead: Clara is in the next episode, so either the Doctor spirits her away without permission (making a bad situation far worse) or Missy directly intervenes to put them both on the Orient Express. Whatever scheme she's running (and it should be clear by now she's the one who gave Clara the Doctor's phone number), they're both integral parts of it.
And, sadly, I'm coming around to the idea that Danny's in on it. His 'really bad day' has been referenced too many times now for it not to be foreshadowing. What that means as far as Orson, I can't imagine.
First, I am relieved that my predictions about Courtney proved incorrect. Hopefully we'll meet her older self somewhere down the line.
That's definitely what I saw. Clara was just a hair faster than her. That said, I'm assuming the older President Courtney (remembering these events from her earlier perspective) would have addressed the world in the aftermath and made some big point against Man nuking first and asking questions later.
Looking ahead: Clara is in the next episode, so either the Doctor spirits her away without permission (making a bad situation far worse) or Missy directly intervenes to put them both on the Orient Express. Whatever scheme she's running (and it should be clear by now she's the one who gave Clara the Doctor's phone number), they're both integral parts of it.
And, sadly, I'm coming around to the idea that Danny's in on it. His 'really bad day' has been referenced too many times now for it not to be foreshadowing. What that means as far as Orson, I can't imagine.
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