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8X02 "Into the Dalek" Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)

Grade "Into the Dalek"

  • Eyebrows

    Votes: 34 28.6%
  • Good

    Votes: 57 47.9%
  • Average

    Votes: 19 16.0%
  • Bad

    Votes: 7 5.9%
  • Exterminate!

    Votes: 2 1.7%

  • Total voters
    119
  • Poll closed .
I saw it yesterday, and I enjoyed it. (I marked it as 'Good').

Clara, my favorite companion next to Peri, was awesome. I look forward to seeing how the relationship between her and Danny Pink turns out. (Btw, the actor who portrays Danny Pink sounds a bit like Idris Elba...lol..another actor who is considered a 'lady killer' and portrays characters depicted as such).

This Doctor is dark, but isn't unlikable. I think his sacrificing of the solider was part logic and part payback since the soldier came off as one who wouldn't hesitate to shoot The Doctor if it was felt the timelord was in the wrong.

I know Missy will turn up in later episodes and be expanded on. And, I'm sure Journey Blue will be expanded on as well...since she apparently has some sort of sibling or relative relationship with Danny Pink.

Speaking of Journey Blue, I like how we get a hint that she is biracial on her mother or father's side since her onscreen uncle is a white Irishman. (DW is trying to show that mixed relationships is a normal thing, and I applaud them for that).

Looking forward to the next episode.:cool:

Sidenotes:
*Yes, this episode reminded me of Eccleston's 'Dalek,' but the episode did its own original turn. And, as much as I think the Daleks are overused, I - of course - didn't mind this episode.

*The Doctor has always disliked guns and soldiers. This isn't something new to this particular Doctor. He butted heads with The Brigadier in "Doctor Who and the Silurians"...and used guns in his 5th incarnation.

Too, he's also killed before to survive (e.g. killing Shockeye in "The Two Doctors).
 
A bizarre hang-up that confounded me with this episode was why Clara didn't wear that brown leather jacket onto the Aristotle. Initially she wore it when she first came onto the TARDIS (from the school), and then (I thought) she was on the station without it. I was like, Why??? On second viewing I saw that she had already taken the jacket off in the TARDIS before going onto the ship (or station, or whatever it was). Regardless, I thought she looked good in the jacket and wish she'd kept it on (or put it back on) when they went onto the Aristotle (which might have been cool or all she knew). Instead, she's wearing a flimsy blouse and does look like she's cold in a few shots, with her arms wrapped around herself, as if to keep warm. Should have worn your jacket, Clara! :D
 
I don't hate Clara, I just find her... I dunno, meh. Slapping the Doctor does not endear her to me, even if she thinks he deserved it.
 
I don't hate Clara, I just find her... I dunno, meh. Slapping the Doctor does not endear her to me

It does to me! It was nice to see her finally asserting herself as the Doctor's equal and calling him on his bullshit. I shipped Clara/Eleven, but I like how them breaking up has caused Clara to come more into her own as a character.
 
Of course if The Doctor had slapped Clara we'd be having a very different conversation. I really like the new Clara, just wasn't completely sold on that particular moment.
 
Of course if The Doctor had slapped Clara we'd be having a very different conversation.

Because there is a physical power differential between men and women. Male size lends itself far more readily to physical abuse. We have a very different conversation when Clara slaps the Doctor versus if the Doctor slaps Clara, because Clara's slapping doesn't really hurt him, and because Clara is not capable of physically overpowering him.
 
I don't know, that was a pretty hard slap. Of course whilst the majority of domestic abuse is male on female, there is a lot of female on male abuse (and lets me inclusive here male/male and female/female too) and a physical power differential is no excuse for abuse of any kind and plenty of men have been abused by female partners they probably could overpower but don't, either because the abuse is emotional as well, or simply because they don't believe in hitting a woman, even if she's beating seven bells of shit out of him.

This is not to suggest I think every circumstance of a woman slapping a guy across the face isn't justified (for example Jenny had every right to lamp Eleven in The Crimson Horror given he'd just assaulted her) I just think the default position that its acceptable is wrong.
 
Of course if The Doctor had slapped Clara we'd be having a very different conversation. I really like the new Clara, just wasn't completely sold on that particular moment.

Everyone always says the Doctor strangling his companion, like the Sixth did with Peri, wouldn't fly today. But what if the companion were to strangle the Doctor?

Clara is not capable of physically overpowering him.

Apologies for being flip in response to a serious comment I agree with, but..

If Clara wanted to overpower me, I'd let her. :drool:

This forum seriously needs a "Like" button. :techman:
 
The Doctor is often hypocritical, however I think in this case it might probably come down to the Dalek naming the Doctor a "good Dalek", especially after the Doctor himself stated earlier in the episode that Daleks are better soldiers than anyone else.

That's what I took away from it. The Doctor said that he defined himself as not being like a Dalek. Then when he mind melds with one, it finds his hatred of them to be so strong and powerful that dedicates itself to wiping them out. As if the Doctor's hate for Daleks is stronger than the hate Daleks feel for everything else.

Maybe the soldier bit is due to him not wanting to be reminded of what he's done as a soldier himself, fearing that it brings out the absolute worst in him.
 
The Doctor is often hypocritical, however I think in this case it might probably come down to the Dalek naming the Doctor a "good Dalek", especially after the Doctor himself stated earlier in the episode that Daleks are better soldiers than anyone else.

That's what I took away from it. The Doctor said that he defined himself as not being like a Dalek. Then when he mind melds with one, it finds his hatred of them to be so strong and powerful that dedicates itself to wiping them out. As if the Doctor's hate for Daleks is stronger than the hate Daleks feel for everything else.

Maybe the soldier bit is due to him not wanting to be reminded of what he's done as a soldier himself, fearing that it brings out the absolute worst in him.

To be fair, the Daleks did nearly destroy his home planet... In fact if The Doctor hadn't pull out a miracle save at the very last moment, the Daleks would have destroyed Gallifrey.
 
Every Doctor has their likes and dislikes, but in case knowing Moffat it's probably related to some plot point and we'll see why later on.
 
The "no-soldier" thing is both hypocritical and entitled on the Doctor's part. It doesn't make any sense at all.

I'm not sure why Journey decided all of a sudden that she wanted to join The Doctor. Maybe the Doctor showing her another way of dealing with the Daleks appealed to her but her adventure with the Doctor and his behavior during it wasn't exactly the greatest advertisement for joining Team Tardis.

And again, with the Doctor's hypocracy...she finds another way to deal with the Dalek and he still rejects her. The Daleks apparently took over her world and want to wipe out all of humanity. So tell me why again it's wrong to be a soldier and fight them?

A very good point. Unlike the Dalek that could find no other way to live except in destroying (his biological trait), she WAS open to more things. What the Doctor wanted the Dalek to do--she actually did in all but going AWOL.

Some great lines "Crying is for civilians" and great space action.
 
On last thought. I think they used the crack in the universe prop its last time as the leak on the Dalek. Now we know the Dalek has a liquid crystal type eyepiece.

I wonder if there is some double-slit funny business going on--with light from other worlds also visible to it.
 
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