8X02 "Into the Dalek" Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)

[Mitty]

I enjoyed it. Pink... I had a hard time not thinking it was Mickey Smith, they speak very much alike.

I'm hoping he gets to meet the Doctor and the TARDIS sooner rather than later, the whole "Clara double life" thing could wear a bit thin.

No idea about the mystery of Missy, though I did like the small change of pace in the episode while we went there. I wonder what the criteria is for ending up in "Heaven", why didn't Ross go there?

And why do I get the feeling that's not the last we see of Rusty?

 

[Starkers]

Also, the soldiers spoke of Dalek duplicates - is this something like the nano virus from the Asylum? People converted in part to be Daleks? Is this going to play into future storylines?

I think it was a reference to Resurrection of the Daleks from Davison's run.

 

[timelord1010]

I gave it a average. Capaldi was great as usual but the story was lacking. I wonder if Missy is going to turn out to be a new version of the Black Guardian?

 

[Skellington]

Eyebrows.

What can I say? This episode had everything. Great script, tension, humour, acting, effects. Was particularly impressed by Jenna Coleman and the actor playing Danny Pink. I thought the balance between menace and humour was just right (Top layer, if anyone would like to say a few words). Basically, pretty much everything you could reasonably hope for from an episode of this show.

 

[Relayer1]

The show desperately needs better writers.

Liked The Doctor a bit more in this one, but a rotten story badly made...

 

[Candlelight]

Average. Pink and Clara have no chemistry at all. The team going on their Fantastic Voyage was hard to watch. Still hating this 'dropping the companion home in time for tea' aspect.

At least next week is a good episode. Just.

 

[Count Zero]

Somewhere between average and good for me but I decided to vote 'good' because I'm all magnanimous and stuff. The story as such was good but there were some corny moments in it, especially during the scene where the Doctor is inside the Dalek's mind.

On the other hand, there were also a couple of fine moments in it, like the talk between the Doctor and Clara sitting on the stairs and the good Dalek thing at the end. I liked the Doctor joking at inappropriate moments. It kind of reminds me of the Fifth Doctor although he seemed a lot more goody-two-shoes than Capaldi. He came off a lot more ruthless and dangerous on first viewing than on second viewing, though. I don't think he did anything that previous Doctors haven't done.

Also, I wish someone would just tell the Doctor that he is indeed a good man. I mean, really, by what impossible standard is he not?

 

[Cutter John]

I gave it a Good.

* Now thats the Capaldi Doctor I signed on for. A bit more brusque and sarcastic.

* I'm inclined to like Danny. The whole head-desk scene sold me. Probably because its the sort of thing I'd do. Curious to learn his back story.

* Clara came off rather well. I thought her rather lovable in her scenes with Danny.

* Glad that at least one of the daleks exploded during the fight. It always seemed a bit daft when humans attack the things with weapons that obviously don't have an effect. Rather like the military bringing in riflemen in a Godzilla movie.

* And thank god we've finally had a dalek story where the Doctor doesn't go on for five minutes about the bloody time war, and how he lost everything, blah, blah...

 

[Cutter John]

Also, I wish someone would just tell the Doctor that he is indeed a good man. I mean, really, by what impossible standard is he not?

I think we got a bit of that with Clara's parting comment. Normal people aren't inherently good, or bad. We all try to be good, and that's all anyone can really ask.

 

[Count Zero]

* And thank god we've finally had a dalek story where the Doctor doesn't go on for five minutes about the bloody time war, and how he's lost everything, blah, blah...

Mainly because he hasn't.

 

[Kruezerman]

Pretty good, I wonder what role "Heaven" has to play in here? Is Missy "Bad Wolf" in another form?

It's kinda funny thinking the Doctor would make a good Dalek, both are (at their core) very fundemental morally, everything is black and white (especially for 10 and 11), but one destroys all while the other just destroys one.

They're delving deep into the Doctor himself, fleshing him out as a character, and I love it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He was called something like a Good Dalek back in Season one?

 

[Nightowl1701]

Nine was told, "You would make a good Dalek." Now Twelve's been told he is.

 

[Admiral2]

I liked 12 just fine. It's Clara I'm getting tired of. When's the snippy little bitch leaving again?

The best thing Peter does is bring gravitas to the Doctor's dark moments that 11 never could manage. Still a fine pick.

 

[Kelthaz]

io9 has posted their review of the episode.

What's So Bad About Hating The Daleks, Anyway?

 

[DWF]

I kind of like the idea that the Doctor is struggling to be a good man, he started out as pretty much an anti-hero so there's always been plenty of darkness in him and it plays into the general theme of heaven this season. That being said other than looking great and delving more into the new Doctor's character, the ep. really didn't go anywhere, it seems that no matter how Moffat tries to change the relationship between the Doctor and the Daleks things always revert back to normal. Danny Pink is an interesting mystery though and the Doctor might not like him because of his past.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The war against Dalekkind (Dalekind?) can't have been going on that long if they did not know that there were "people" inside those Battlesuits... But if it has been going for a while, and because Journey is young, has she had coffee before? Has she had caffeine before?

In the future (now, and the past) drugs will be used to make soliders fight harder, better and longer.

Caffeine might not have much kick compared to the amphetamines in her morning porridge... Or humans no longer have the resources to do that any more, and humans live on gruel and coffee would scare the shit out of them.

Did Journey take Clara's coffee?

Sure he still had two coffees hours later, after he examined the Dalek, not only would the beverage be cold, but old.

It can't have been the same coffee, unless he soniced the Coffee?

 

[DarthPipes]

Very good, I think it got better as it went on. I didn't think the title Into the Dalek would be quite so literal.

Didn't expect to see the reappearance of "Heaven." Having characters end up there is intriguing. Why the female soldier and not the male soldier? I saw some suggestion is because she asked the Doctor to name someone after her. Something about making a personal request like Half-Face talking about the Promised Land or something.

I thought the bit where the Doctor what was left of Ross was on the top of the goo and asked if they had any last words to be hysterical.

I liked the Danny Pink character, interested in seeing where that goes.

What the hell is the Doctor's problem with soldiers all of a sudden? Is it resentment over the centuries he spent fighting wars, the Last Great Time War and Trenzalore? Even Clara seemed to have this bug up her ass at first with Danny.

I felt I needed close captioning tonight. Capaldi and several of the actors were hard to understand.

 

[Nightowl1701]

The war against Dalekkind (Dalekind?) can't have been going on that long if they did not know that there were "people" inside those Battlesuits... But if it has been going for a while, and because Journey is young, has she had coffee before? Has she had caffeine before?

In the future (now, and the past) drugs will be used to make soliders fight harder, better and longer.

Caffeine might not have much kick compared to the ampetimines in her morning porridge... Or humans no longer have the resources to do that any more, and humans live on gruel and coffe would scare the shit out of them.

Did Journey take Clara's coffee?

Sure he still had two coffees hours later, after he examined the Dalek, not only would the be cold, but old.

It can't have been the same coffee, unless he soniced the Coffee?

^^^ NO MORE coffee for that man!

 

[Nightowl1701]

Didn't expect to see the reappearance of "Heaven." Having characters end up there is intriguing. Why the female soldier and not the male soldier? I saw some suggestion is because she asked the Doctor to name someone after her. Something about making a personal request like Half-Face talking about the Promised Land or something.

Depending on how the next unlucky character ends up there, I've heard speculation (and this would confirm how Half-Face died last week) that it's people who sacrifice their lives to protect/help the Doctor who are finding themselves in Missy's Heaven.

What the hell is the Doctor's problem with soldiers all of a sudden? Is it resentment over the centuries he spent fighting wars, the Last Great Time War and Trenzalore? Even Clara seemed to have this bug up her ass at first with Danny.

Rude, ungrateful soldiers that stick a gun in my face immediately after I save one of them and keep threatening to kill me? Who barely remember the word "please"? And that after all the centuries of war you mentioned? Yeah, I'd have a problem with them too.

And I don't think Clara really had a problem with Danny. That comes down to she a) didn't know he really was a soldier (particularly a war veteran) at first and b) said exactly the wrong thing at exactly the wrong moment.