7X12 Nightmare in Silver(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, May 11, 2013.


Grade "Nightmare in Silver"

Poll closed Jun 20, 2013.
  1. Excellent!

    21 vote(s)
  2. Great

    46 vote(s)
  3. Average

    36 vote(s)
  4. DELETE!

    6 vote(s)
  5. "Iron Man 3" was better"

    3 vote(s)
  1. Mr Light

    Mr Light Admiral Admiral

    Dec 7, 1999
    1)Asylum of the Daleks
    2)The Angels Take Manhattan
    3)Nightmare in Silver
    4)The Rings of Akhaten
    5)The Bells of Saint John
    6)The Snowmen
    7)Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
    8)Cold War
    9)The Power of Three
    10)Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
    11)The Crimson Horror
    13)A Town Called Mercy

    Shockingly, I wouldn't call any of these terrible, unlike the last two years. "Hide" and "Mercy" were so-so but still enjoyable.
  2. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 15, 2000
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    A Town called Mercy was this season?

    Butt that happened almost 3 years ago.

  3. EliyahuQeoni

    EliyahuQeoni Commodore Commodore

    Dec 24, 2007
    Redmond, Oregon, United States of America
    uh no, A Town Called Mercy first aired in September 2012, which is a lot less than 3 years ago.
  4. Brent

    Brent Admiral Admiral

    Apr 24, 2003
    I loved this episode, not much to say really, good entertainment, classic Who feel. A+
  5. Lt. Uhura-Brown

    Lt. Uhura-Brown Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    May 14, 2013
    New Zealand
    It just feels like it was.
  6. Kitty Worrier

    Kitty Worrier Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jul 13, 2002

    Maybe the CyperPlanner rubbed off on the Doctor, and he's no longer in denial. :)

    I thought this episode was fun. Sure, the girl was annoying as hell, but I think she was supposed to be annoying.
  7. Slugboy

    Slugboy Commodore Commodore

    Oct 4, 2004
    Dominion space
    Indeed. Also, it didn't help that some of the dialogue the girl was given was pretty bizarre. After she gets snatched away, at high speed, by a terrifying, hulking cyborg, what does she say? "Please don't hurt me!"? "Help!"? No, she says: "Put me down! I hate you!" Not exactly the most realistic bit of dialogue. :lol:
  8. Aldo

    Aldo Admiral Admiral

    Jan 4, 2003
    Hyrule Castle
    I'd hate someone too if he snatched me like that.
  9. Thestral

    Thestral Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 9, 2009
    Thestral - Carmichael Industries
    That was probably actually my favorite line of hers in the episode. :lol:
  10. Marsden

    Marsden Commodore Commodore

    Feb 23, 2013
    Will be Celebrating Spocktoberfest this year!
    I liked it.

    Does anybody find it strange to complain about ripping of the borg when they were a rip off of the Cybermen originally? The Cybermen were from the 60s. How could they rip off something from the 90s?

    I liked the more able Cybermen, but no matter how spiffy they become, The Doctor is always going to beat them, so how much more dangerous can they really be? We aren't going to see him killed or absorbed, like the Cybercontroller attempted to do, so they will always be the same threat level.

    I first started watching with Tom Baker, he's still my favorite, but I really liked all three of the new Doctors. I really think it's a sort of hobby for some fans to bitch unceasingly, but I like most of what I've seen. But Clara's "Impossible Girl" act is becoming wearysome. If they just let her be a regular companion, she'd be fine.
  11. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

    Apr 14, 2003
    Norfolk, VA
    To be fair, they've copied each other by this point. The upgrading thing wasn't with the Cybermen originally.
  12. Saul

    Saul Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 27, 2002
    I might have missed it since the episode wasn't interesting to me but is it explained how the Cybermen were able to upgrade to the super speedy type?
  13. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 15, 2000
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    That episode was set thousands and thousands of years in the future, ipso facto the Cyberrace had been upgrading for thousands and thousands of years.

    You can say that the Cybermen originally achieved perfection and decided that that was it.

    However, there have been so many wardrobe redesigns over the years.

    That it's possible to deduce that each of those wardrobe redesigns were a massive and fundamental upgrade.

    Upgrades used to probably have to come from the cybercontroller level and only then effect the next generation of Cybermen being produced from the factories.
  14. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 18, 1999

    are perfect


    are not. They constantly

    improve, change, evolve, modify themselves in order to


  15. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    I thought it was decent, but unfortunately not the pure awesome I was expecting from Gaiman. The highlight of the episode for me was the Doctor and the Cyber Planner's battle for control of the Doctor's mind. Warwick Davis was also excellent as the Emperor, though to be honest I'd guessed his true identity fairly early on. As for the kids, I didn't mind Artie, but I thought Angie was annoying as hell.

    As for my rankings of this season/series/whatever you want to call it...

    1. Asylum of the Daleks
    2. The Angels Take Manhattan
    3. The Snowmen
    4. The Bells of Saint John
    5. The Crimson Horror
    6. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
    7. The Power of Three
    8. Nightmare in Silver
    9. Cold War
    10. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
    11. Hide
    12. A Town Called Mercy
    13. The Rings of Akhaten
  16. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 15, 2000
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Daleks evolved. Changed, grew. Wondered why they sucked and chose to devolve into a more pure description of the species. The new old Daleks looked on the monsters now calling themselves Daleks and exterminated them.

    They fight evolution and win.
  17. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

    Apr 14, 2003
    Norfolk, VA
    Basically, after thousands of years fighting humans (and their improving technology), they upgraded their technology. These Cybermen are much superior to those of old. That's basically it.
  18. Allyn Gibson

    Allyn Gibson Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 16, 2000
    South Pennsyltucky
  19. Sindatur

    Sindatur The Gray Owl Wizard Premium Member

    Jan 2, 2011
    Sacramento, CA
    Yea, originally Jenna Louise Coleman started in The Snowmen, and then they decided to write her into Asylum of the Daleks and had to do some rewrites to The Snowmen. So, I imagine, the inclusion of Oswin in Asylum of the Daleks, led to having her die again in The Snowmen, which prompted a rewrite to update Clara to modern Clara in Nightmare in Silver.
  20. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

    Apr 14, 2003
    Norfolk, VA
    Interesting. For what it's worth, having her die twice is more dramatic than just once. Otherwise, she could have just died at the end of her time with the Doctor rather than living separate lives.

    I wonder if it was the Victorian kids who were supposed to be in the episode.