7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

[Mr Light]

I did read a Moffat interview where they said this season they were trying to cram a 90 minute movie of the week into 45 minutes every episode.

 

[Mr Pointy Ears]

Even before the the epsiode ended,i had a feeling how the ponds were going to leave.

 

[Kruezerman]

I did read a Moffat interview where they said this season they were trying to cram a 90 minute movie of the week into 45 minutes every episode.

And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.

I'd rather have a jumbled mess full of insane ideas than a classic three-act structure with an A plot and a B plot. Innovation trumps familiarity, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Ghost Bones]

Not really innovative though is it?

 

[The Wormhole]

Even before the the epsiode ended,i had a feeling how the ponds were going to leave.

I take it you must not read anything about the show in advance, either spoilers or official statements from BBC or Moffat? Because we've known since the spring that this would the episode where the Ponds were going to leave. Indeed, Moffat himself revealed the Weeping Angels were going to be in the Ponds' farewell episode.

 

[Starkers]

Once I knew it was the Angels, I highly suspected how it'd end, and actually I'm ok with that, sometimes you don't want your expectations confounded

 

[Yminale]

And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.

I'd rather have a jumbled mess full of insane ideas than a classic three-act structure with an A plot and a B plot. Innovation trumps familiarity, as far as I'm concerned.

Uhm NO! Something that is familiar but well done is a lot better than a crazy mess.

 

[Yminale]

I did read a Moffat interview where they said this season they were trying to cram a 90 minute movie of the week into 45 minutes every episode.

This has been a problem since nuWho began. nuWho can do intimate character pieces real well, but epic storytelling, forget it. Even two parters seem to lose steam in the end.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the great audio dramas from Big Finish but very few episodes have matched the quality of the better classic TV episodes.

 

[Kruezerman]

And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.

I'd rather have a jumbled mess full of insane ideas than a classic three-act structure with an A plot and a B plot. Innovation trumps familiarity, as far as I'm concerned.

Innovation is great, it's what's keeping the industry alive, but if the story can't be followed and it jumps all over the place, what's the point?

Surely one can have both, surely the BBC, one of the world's largest media conglomerates knows this.

 

[Saul]

Unless you're wrong, in which case you've just altered a fixed point in time.

It's just like replacing the Doctor with a lookalike robot. In this case, you're planting a headstone to keep up appearances.

Mr Awe

Fixed points usually revolve around something historically significant that ALWAYS happened. Rory and Amy going back in time isn't unless they do something historically significant something so grandiose that it would become a fixed point... I don't see it though.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I don't think it's a case of "Bowie Base 1".
More like a Father's Day don't change your personal timeline thing.

 

[Saul]

Surely them disappearing from their own timeline would be a bigger blunder to their personal timeline.

 

[danellis]

Surely them disappearing from their own timeline would be a bigger blunder to their personal timeline.

Maybe not: maybe they'er their own great-grandparents?

dJE

 

[RoJoHen]

Surely them disappearing from their own timeline would be a bigger blunder to their personal timeline.

It just sucks that they rebooted the entire universe and managed to bring back Amy's whole family, only for her to lose them again by getting zapped back in time. I really do want to see how the Doctor deals with Amy's family in the "present day," if he does at all.

 

[Starkers]

Yeah but the moment she got her family back she buggered off in the Tardis so she can't have been that bothered

 

[RoJoHen]

I'm more concerned with how her family is dealing with Amy suddenly being gone forever.

Plus, after the universe rebooted, Amy had always had her family, so she had no reason to miss them anymore.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Innovation is great, it's what's keeping the industry alive, but if the story can't be followed and it jumps all over the place, what's the point?

A bit of a moot point since the story we're talking about could be followed easily.

 

[Kruezerman]

Innovation is great, it's what's keeping the industry alive, but if the story can't be followed and it jumps all over the place, what's the point?

A bit of a moot point since the story we're talking about could be followed easily.

Perhaps I should clarify, not the story of the episode (though that had pacing problems) but the story of the arch itself, indeed the season so far felt as if it doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Perhaps I should clarify, not the story of the episode (though that had pacing problems) but the story of the arch itself, indeed the season so far felt as if it doesn't make a lick of sense.

Not a lick of sense? I don't know, it seemed to be pretty straightforward. The Doctor didn't want the Ponds to leave him, the Ponds were thinking about quitting anyway, and circumstances ultimately made the decision for them. That's the arc, isn't it? What's nonsensical about that? Or are you talking about something else?