7X02 Dinosaurs On A Spaceship (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

[Pindar]

23 and already middle aged....

Kids these days, they grow up too fast.

 

[Ghost Bones]

I'm 42 and a half and I also loved them.

Well I'm 23 and thought they were fucking embarrassing.

"That is one big pile of shit."

Yes.

This had the same atmosphere as an episode of Scooby Doo; it made Red Dwarf look like serious, po-faced hard sci-fi in comparison. The Doctor's ADHD 7 year old who's had too much Robinsons act was more heightened than ever. Rory's dad make a joke about balls, and Samey Pond had an inevitable trite "Och aye, ahm worth ten men ahm so sassy, hoots mon" line. Chibnall's trying to be like Moffat trying to be like RTD. And to think some people want this contemptible hack as showrunner.

The plot was stupid to the point of retardation. The engine right, waves? How does that work? Has Chinball never heard tidal power's generated by tides which are caused by the gravitational pull of the moon? You don't just put a load of water in a fake beach and it magically generates energy. It can't be caused by the ship's own mass-derived gravity, otherwise we could use tidal energy to start piloting planet Earth around. What was the resolution, they needed two related people to pilot with the two magic chairs so the Indian army would shoot the other thing instead? Handy that Rory's dad accidentally came along. Jesus wept.

The villain was the only redeeming thing, a well-acted and interesting character who belonged in a story that couldn't have been written by a toddler. And of course, the Doctor murdered him. Never cowardly or cruel eh.

Ok. I'm going to ask you. What would be your perfect Dr Who story? Story, script, characters etc. What do you want from Doctor Who?

Basic things like the Doctor in it and not Jar Jar Binks, and the companions not being boring post-modern deconstructionalist "och aye I'm so sassy" Buffy characters, perhaps maybe acting toward supposedly dangerous, unusual and scary situations as though they actually were those things. A good story that makes sense and doesn't hope to just get by on explosions, CGI and jokes for idiots - it doesn't have to be Kinda or Vengeance on Varos every week but some credibility and interesting ideas done well would be nice. There's nothing wrong with trying to be amusing, so long as it actually works and isn't a series of stupid one-liners. A show not made to impress idiots and that makes an effort not to include glaringly stupid things.

 

[Trubinator]

I think I'm finally coming around on Rory too! He seems much cooler this season ...

 

[Methos]

It didn't recognize a Timelord or Gallifreyan so it doesn't know everything.

It's just as likely that Solomon bought or stole the database from someone else, and it's of Dalek origin... afterall, aside from the Time Lord's, they are the most widely travelled race out there... so their database, especially after the Time War, would be stupidly valuable to anyone...

And since The Doctor was erased from the Dalek databases, then Solomon's scanner didn't recognise him...

works for me anyway lol

M

 

[Guy Gardener]

So India took over the world at some point?

Or did Pakistan take over the world at some point?

United Inidastan?

 

[Gov Kodos]

It didn't recognize a Timelord or Gallifreyan so it doesn't know everything.

It's just as likely that Solomon bought or stole the database from someone else, and it's of Dalek origin... afterall, aside from the Time Lord's, they are the most widely travelled race out there... so their database, especially after the Time War, would be stupidly valuable to anyone...

And since The Doctor was erased from the Dalek databases, then Solomon's scanner didn't recognise him...

works for me anyway lol

M

I suppose, but why not identify the species if not the individual ID? There's the timelock, of course. With the Doctor 'dead' or 'vanished' and timelords never exixting, so to speak, there is nothing for it to guess at. But wouldn't that kind of uniqueness be valuable in itself?

 

[Pindar]

Basic things like the Doctor in it and not Jar Jar Binks, and the companions not being boring post-modern deconstructionalist "och aye I'm so sassy" Buffy characters, perhaps maybe acting toward supposedly dangerous, unusual and scary situations as though they actually were those things. A good story that makes sense and doesn't hope to just get by on explosions, CGI and jokes for idiots - it doesn't have to be Kinda or Vengeance on Varos every week but some credibility and interesting ideas done well would be nice. There's nothing wrong with trying to be amusing, so long as it actually works and isn't a series of stupid one-liners. A show not made to impress idiots and that makes an effort not to include glaringly stupid things.

So you think it should be made for clever people like you and not idiots like me who enjoy it?

I think this might the least subtle troll you've made so far.

And why do you keep mentioning Murderer Who? Are you not aware that the Doctor has killed many beings over the full run of the show?

Solomon may have had a human face but he seems to have killed more sentient beings than any average Cyberman or Dalek would during it's life. He is worse than eithe Dalek or Cyberman as they are programmed to be the way they are he presumably has free choice. He went out of his way to be cruel and ruthless and the Doctor stopped him. Same way he stops all the other monsters.

 

[Ghost Bones]

Basic things like the Doctor in it and not Jar Jar Binks, and the companions not being boring post-modern deconstructionalist "och aye I'm so sassy" Buffy characters, perhaps maybe acting toward supposedly dangerous, unusual and scary situations as though they actually were those things. A good story that makes sense and doesn't hope to just get by on explosions, CGI and jokes for idiots - it doesn't have to be Kinda or Vengeance on Varos every week but some credibility and interesting ideas done well would be nice. There's nothing wrong with trying to be amusing, so long as it actually works and isn't a series of stupid one-liners. A show not made to impress idiots and that makes an effort not to include glaringly stupid things.

So you think it should be made for clever people like you and not idiots like me who enjoy it?

That's a bit of a leading question now, isn't it.

I think this might the least subtle troll you've made so far.

Well you would think that, being one of the legions much more keen to talk about me than address what I say about the show.

And why do you keep mentioning Murderer Who? Are you not aware that the Doctor has killed many beings over the full run of the show?

Killed, yes. Murdered, not as many.

Solomon may have had a human face but he seems to have killed more sentient beings than any average Cyberman or Dalek would during it's life. He is worse than eithe Dalek or Cyberman as they are programmed to be the way they are he presumably has free choice. He went out of his way to be cruel and ruthless and the Doctor stopped him. Same way he stops all the other monsters.

By leaving them somewhere to get killed when he could have saved them? I must have missed every episode ever then, because I don't recall that being the resolution too often.

 

[RTOlson]

I suspect that's more down to the question which must never be answered "Doctor Who?"

I lost a dollar tonight because I bet that someone would say "Doctor Who?" at some point during the story. It seems like it would be the recurring theme based on the prior two stories, but they didn't revisit it this time.

Part of me is glad, but another part is sad … because I lost a dollar.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

This week, i 'ave been mostly enjoying Dr Who!

 

[Peacemaker]

Murdered, not as many

That's a rather perverse definition of "murder" you have there. Murder means his death was unjust and unjustified. Where is the supporting argument?

 

[Ghost Bones]

I am quite surprised by this, I didn't have the Legion here down as death penalty supporters.

 

[Australis]

A show not made to impress idiots and that makes an effort not to include glaringly stupid things.

So, we are idiots, yes?

I am quite surprised by this, I didn't have the Legion here down as death penalty supporters.

Hmm, putting aside that bad guys have got it in the neck from nu who ep 1, the first one that jumps to mind is 'Seeds of Doom', didn't seem to mind Scoreby or the main villain getting chopped.

Dude, do all of us, including yourself, a favour, and stop watching. Just stop.

 

[Methos]

Worth noting that this morning Moffat actually deleted his Twitter account...

https://twitter.com/steven_moffat

There's no word on why, but it's pretty well known that he's been receiving a lot of hate mail lately for some reason, so that's my guess as to why...

kinda sad as his was actually one of the more interesting Twitter feeds around... why can't the trolls and morons just grow the f**k up for once

M

 

[Ghost Bones]

A show not made to impress idiots and that makes an effort not to include glaringly stupid things.

So, we are idiots, yes?

Did I say that? And is this the royal we? Are you grouping everyone together to try create an Us vs You type of thing? Is there no diversity of opinion in your world?

I am quite surprised by this, I didn't have the Legion here down as death penalty supporters.

Hmm, putting aside that bad guys have got it in the neck from nu who ep 1, the first one that jumps to mind is 'Seeds of Doom', didn't seem to mind Scoreby or the main villain getting chopped.

Are you being wilfully ignorant of the way villains often die and how it happened in this instance? That the Doctor actively could have saved someone easily but had him die instead.

Dude, do all of us, including yourself, a favour, and stop watching. Just stop.

Why don't you stop talking about me and what I do and talk about the show?

 

[Saul]

Didn't enjoy this episode. Found it a bit uninteresting and they tried to make it seem more exciting than it actually was.

 

[Sindatur]

Need to watch it again, since I was interrupted while watching (Must remember to start locking the door and turn off the phone), what I enjoyed what I saw. I was pleasantly surprised this one was well received, I was expecting this one would be pretty well panned by the adults, due to Chibnall being the writer, and the very set up of Dinosaurs on a Spaceship.

When I saw the episode description mentioned someone was behind it all, I half expected Oswin/Clara was somehow connected. Then, when they showed Solomon laying down, and his shadow on the curtain, the shadow appeared to have a Davros headpiece on, so, I was wondering if this Series was going to be one Giant Dalek arc, but, fortunately, it wasn't Davros afterall.

Really cool to see The Doctor picking up Nefertiti for a joyride, and poor Silurians, they just can't catch a break, no wonder they're so foul tempered, but, at least this time, The Doctor was responsible for leading them to their doom, it was him, who dispensed justice for them.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I'm 43 and loved the robots...

I'm 42 and a half and I also loved them.

Almost 42 and loved this episode to bits, absolute fantastic romp from start to finish, and I'm still grinning from ear to ear.

"We do not have tantrums!"

And re the Doctor killing Solomon, well firstly it was more of a Batman/Ra's "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." and secondly as has been said, Six was way more vicious. Take the killing of Shockeye as just one example.

Almost 45 here & loved every minute of it.

Are you talking about me and not the show again? You can't help yourself can you.

With you level of grumpiness, I'd have guessed 83.

 

[Ghost Bones]

Are you talking about me and not the show again? You can't help yourself can you.

With you level of grumpiness, I'd have guessed 83.

What in blazes makes you think I'm grumpy?

 

[Bacl]

So, this show is a mindless cartoon now? I mean, it has been devolving into that for some time, but while watching this I kept thinking I was watching one of those Disney or Pixar movies. Just lights and colors and meaningless fun.