7of9 instead of Troi in Nemesis

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  1. Gaith

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    If the intent was to pair Seven and Barclay up at last, then I approve. Otherwise... meh.
     
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  2. KirkusOveractus

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    I was always bummed that Paramount wasn't the studio to do Galaxy Quest. It would have been at the right time, and probably would have given Trek some more life at the time.
     
  3. Khan 2.0

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    you mean like a 'New Nightmare' thing where it would star TOS cast? that would've been cool
     
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    Like that, or maybe based on the story that was in a Star Trek: New Voyages book where the landing party stands in the Transporter on the soundstage and gets beamed into the real Starship Enterprise.

    That or just have Paramount be the ones who did Galaxy Quest itself. People would have known what it was (they do anyway) and it really could have worked as a Trek movie.
     
  5. Jayson1

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    I think "Galaxy Quest" would have been a great Trek movie as well. While I think they love comedy i'm not sure if back in 1999 they would open though to a comedy that is that meta. I can only imagine what the fans would think when it comes to canon. I suspect they would want to create a in universe reason for it such as Q being behind it all. Which is kind of how "Supernatural" did a episode kind of like that. I think the Angels sent the brothers to a new reality or some such excuse to let the actors play themselves and the show they are on, is the show we all watch.

    Jason
     
  6. Jedi_Master

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    Had there been more of them in the TNG films, they might have been more watchable.
     
  7. Timewalker

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    Xena: Warrior Princess did several episodes in which the production staff were guest characters (played by the Xena actors), and these episodes didn't remotely take themselves seriously. If memory serves, there was a Hercules episode that did this as well.

    The TOS meta story referenced upthread was based on a fanfic that originally appeared in Spockanalia (the first TOS fanzine - or at least the most well known fanzine - to be published during the show's actual production). There were two stories: "Visit to a Weird Planet" and "Visit to a Weird Planet Revisited". It was the latter that appeared in the New Voyages 1 anthology.
     
  8. Jayson1

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    Technically that started on "Hercules" but then "Xena" also did a few episodes like that as well like the one were Xena and Gabby are brought to to the future as clones and they see that their is a show about them. Never heard about those fanzine stories. Were can you read them at, today?Also in theory anytime the Trek actors do thei characterr voices on something like "Family Guy" that might also count.

    Jason
     
  9. Timewalker

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    You can get reprinted copies of Spockanalia on eBay (there were 5 issues in total). For the New Voyages 1 & 2 anthologies, check Amazon (the Marketplace might have something) or eBay. There are several other online second-hand booksellers, like Book Depository. Or if you have local second hand bookstores, try them. You could get lucky.
     
  10. suarezguy

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    Seven basically was the science officer of Voyager so with Data around she could have been a bit redundant but it could have been crazy-enough-to-work for her to be the new security/tactical officer (DS9 fans would probably prefer that Worf just had a cameo if he remained in diplomacy).

    Riker and Troi finally being together was a nice aspect that gave Nemesis some of its finality and OTOH it would have felt jarring for Troi to suddenly not be in the cast/crew. Although it would have been fun for Seven to cameo in the wedding or even join the crew in some way, there is some potential especially with Picard and Data.
     
  11. David cgc

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    They're around. "Visit to a Weird Planet" is the first, where Kirk, Spock, and McCoy swap with Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelly and are flummexed by being on a TV set. "Visit to a Weird Planet Revisited" is a sequel that shows what Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelly were doing on the Enterprise during the original story. The premise has also been done with other shows, according to some quick Googling. I'd only known about the TNG version ("Visiting a Visit to a Weird Planet Revisited," which I now see exists in at least two slightly different versions, for some reason) but there are many more.
     
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    Wouldn't have worked 7 never met any of the characters onscreen. Paramount were stupid if they thought the fans would have wanted that
     
  13. Timewalker

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    Khan never met Chekov onscreen, yet that didn't seem to detract (mostly) from the excellence of TWOK.
     
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    It could be sold simply as a new character for a new movie and her history with Trek wouldn't be a issue. I wonder for example how many people even knew or remembered that Khan had been in a TOS episode before they saw that movie, many years ago.

    Jason
     
  15. USS Triumphant

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    Unless... Seven was relaying orders on behalf of Admiral Janeway, acting as her PA? (Frikkin' *Janeway* giving orders to *Picard* struck me as insulting, anyway, so why not go full tilt and have her personal assistant do it? ;) )
    Honestly, the part where Data flings himself through space at the enemy is the only GOOD part of the movie, to me. But then, it mirrors something that my players had actually done shortly before to hilarious effect in a Trek roleplaying game I was running, so that may be very subjective. :D
    Make it where the Borg Queen sacrifices herself to keep HER Collective from being used the way Shinzon wants (more in line with Trek values), and scrub any reference to "Remans", and I'm willing to make this my head canon for how the movie went. ;)
    In my experience, that should maybe read "books and different authors whose research and thinking on something may be much DEEPER than the original content, you can sometimes end up with conflicting information that may actually be better thought out and superior to canon, but isn't canon." Because the authors tend to care more about the source material than some of the screenwriters and showrunners that seemed to be phoning it in part of the time - especially on Voyager and Enterprise (and frankly, season 3 of TOS). But YMMV, of course.
     
  16. timtonruben359

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    Logan a huge Voyager fan but he is also on record as a big fan of the Troi character, he admitted so in several press interview leading up the film's release. This is why Troi had more to do in Nemesis than in the three other films.
     
  17. Timewalker

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    I think most people would have known, since there were not many articles or interviews that didn't mention that Khan originated in a TOS episode. Back then I bought Starlog every month, as well as any other SF magazines available here. All of them talked about "Space Seed".
     
  18. Jayson1

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    Yes but as sci-fi fans we would be more prone to read something like Starlog. For me it was "Sci-FI Universe" and from what I gather "Starlog" at this point in the 1990's had gone downhill and hadn't been as good as it use to be in the past. Still someone like my Mom for example if she went to see that movie I doubt she would even know either of these magazines even existed.

    Jason
     
  19. Timewalker

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    Not sure what the '90s have to do with it. TWOK came out in the early '80s.
     
  20. Jayson1

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    I went a little off topic to talk about my favorite sci-fi mag.:)

    Jason