7 was right

[Photon]

8472 and the Hirogen should have been beamed much earlier to the Hunter's ships than happened. Alot of good that would have done if all 6 Hirogen ships had opened up. There goes 8472 and Voyager. Many times I just don't understand Janeway and why she does things.
I really can't imagine: Kirk, Sisko, Picard, or even Archer balatantly risking the life of the entire crew for a creature that was as dangerous as 8472?

 

[Sec31Mike]

I agree Photon. Janeway really screwed up big time.

She also gave Voyager a bad name with the Hirogen that came back to hurt them in the future. In "The Killing Game" several crewmwmbers were killed because of what Janeway did.

 

[Clym]

More proof that women shouldn't be put in charge of anything.

 

[The Lady Eve]

^Troll, troll, troll your boat.

 

[Photon]

If 7 had been aboard during the Caretaker, she'd prolly had disobeyed orders and got them back to the AQ-screw the Ocampa.

 

[Wicca who Wonta]

I think that Janeway did the right thing. You have to show compassion sometimes and the Hirogen was ruthlessly hunting the 8472 down. But my opinion might be tainted by the fact that I don't like hunting in general.

 

[Photon]

Janeway's compassion was misplaced. She had absolutely ran out of choices. Beam the creature over and get the Hirongen off her back.

 

[Vic Sixx]

I agree with 7, Janeway had no other options, they were outnumbered and outgunned. The Voyager would have died with the 8472 alien.

And I hate Janeway's pageboy haircut.

 

[exodus]

The Lady Eve said:
^Troll, troll, troll your boat.

I agree with Janeway but Sisko said it best when he told Worf that being a Starfleet Officer sometimes meant putting you life on the line to make peace or for the greater good.

Species 8472 believed Voyager and all humans to be evil and dangerous. By showing compassion for an enemy may open talks for peace. Every Starfleet Officer is trained knowing they may die in the line of duty, but it doesn't stop them from their main goal which is keeping the peace.

 

[Wicca who Wonta]

^
Well said, exodus!

And that single 8472 alien wasn't really a threat to Voyager in the condition it was in.

 

[exodus]

Ripley said:
^
Well said, exodus!

And that single 8472 alien wasn't really a threat to Voyager in the condition it was in.

Thanks.

 

[Photon]

But of course, the Realm wouldn't have known how NICE the Feds are b/c Voyager along w/the harmless creature would have been space dust I certainly undestand Janeway's motives but it wasn't the time or place to be a bleeding heart. If 1 Hirogen ship, then fight it off-make the singularity and perhaps have a whole new relationship w/the Realm-but jeez, was willing to get Voyager blown up just b/c she felt compassion. BS

 

[exodus]

Photon said:
But of course, the Realm wouldn't have known how NICE the Feds are b/c Voyager along w/the harmless creature would have been space dust I certainly undestand Janeway's motives but it wasn't the time or place to be a bleeding heart. If 1 Hirogen ship, then fight it off-make the singularity and perhaps have a whole new relationship w/the Realm-but jeez, was willing to get Voyager blown up just b/c she felt compassion. BS

Starfleet Officers are no different than soldiers. They are train to fight and even die to keep us safe.

If Janeway felt putting 150 peoples lives on the line to avoid 8472 from wagging war on the entire Alpha Q. filled with billions upon billion of lives, then she's in the right and doing exactly what she was trained to do.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

 

[Vic Sixx]

But to throw away 140 some lives over the live of one alien is stupid. In a battle that will go unknown and unrecorded, species 8472 will never have known of Voyager's sacrifice. I'm all for gallantry and doing the right thing, but foolhardiness is another thing. You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em, like in poker.

The needs of the many(the crew) the needs of the one(the alien).

 

[exodus]

^^The bigger picture is and always has been saving the Alpha Quaderant.

Why do you think Chakotay & Tuvok went undercover in the ep. where 8472 had a training camp designed like Starfleet Headquarters? They were still planning an invasion & Voyager was trying to stop them.

Kes told Janeway that way back in Scorpion. Janeway & the crew of Voyager were the only ones that knew this information. Why would they not try and save the home they were trying to get too?

If Voyager couldn't beat them, then the next choice is to offer an olive branch.

It's all about seeing the bigger picture.


How many decades has Trek been around for that people still don't understand Starfleet isn't about war or killing, it's about making peace. Prime example was the fact the Hirogen tortured the Voyager crew for days on end in "The Killing Game" and in the end Janeway still made peace with them.

 

[Photon]

I understand you points, but sometimes wanting "peace in our time" will get you a bitter war in the end. Many times peaceniks turn out to be the worst peace negociators, and the warrior, the best.

 

[KitchenWitch]

exodus said:
How many decades has Trek been around for that people still don't understand Starfleet isn't about war or killing, it's about making peace.

To paraphrase Seven, a lesson in peace will do them little good if they are dead.

The Hirogen were kicking Voyager's ass. The 8472 would not have survived Voyager's destruction by the Hirogen. So nothing would have been accomplished and no one--not the Federation nor the 8472 in fluidic space--would have known of Janeway's olive branch.

 

[KitchenWitch]

Photon said:
I understand you points, but sometimes wanting "peace in our time" will get you a bitter war in the end. Many times peaceniks turn out to be the worst peace negociators, and the warrior, the best.

Only Nixon could have gone to China.

 

[Nebusj]

... though the reason ``only Nixon'' could was not that he'd negotiate better with the Chinese, but that with his long history of fanatic red-baiting he'd shut up the fanatic red-baiters at home who'd otherwise whine about interacting with China.

 

[Deus_Ex]

I think Janeway was right too.