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6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!

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Mind you, they seemed surprisingly at ease around futuristic technology for someone who lived in 1888.

It doesn't surprise me that Madame Vastra is at ease---Silurian technology was shown to be far more advanced than the Earth technology of the year 2020 (as we saw in the Silurian episodes in series 5). So even if the Demon's Run technology is more advanced, she would probably view it more as "Wow, more advanced technology" rather than witchcraft. Maybe she took some advanced technology with her when she moved to London, so her companion would also be familiar with it.

But The Curese of the Black Spot was supposed to be part of the second half of the season and was moved to the first half rather recentally, some time this year I believe.
I heard about that shift in production order. I wonder if they rewrote anything else---Amy and Rory seem surprisingly cheerful for people who had their baby snatched (unless they were rewritten to be more cheerful when the episode was moved).

A related note: if/when Amy leaves the Doctor and returns home, she's going to have a fun time at her next (medical) doctor's appointment:

M.D.: "Hmmm...so my examination indicates that you've given birth before. So....where's the child?"

Amy: ""Ummm........."

I guess she'd have to lie or something. "Ummm...it was born stillborn. Then, the hospital burned down, along with all the related records. My old doctor got hit by a bus and died, so you can't ask him about it either. Also, I never told my parents about my previous pregnancy".
 
I noticed that too, and yes it was distracting. It was the first time I've watched on BBC America so I don't know if they've done that previously. (They certainly didn't during the preceding marathon.) Although I don't think it was 1.5x, maybe closer to 1.1 or 1.2.

I watched it on the Space network in Canada. I didn't notice any speedup, but I did wonder how they managed to cram an extra-long episode into the same 60-minute timeslot, with commercials. One thing I did notice was that they removed the "viewer discretion" disclaimers (i.e. "The following program contains scenes of violence. Viewer discretion is advised") despite the fact that the episode did indeed contain scenes of violence. Presumably, this was done to save time.

Without the commercials, the episode airtime came to about 47 minutes, 3 minutes short of the 50-minute airtime stated on Wikipedia, so maybe Space sped it up too.

At least it's better than the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, which totally butchered Journey's End by cutting out 21 minutes of it (you'd think they'd allocate a 90-minute timeslot for an episode of the most highly-rated program on CBC, but apparently not. Although I prefer broadcast TV over cable TV, I'm glad that CBC no longer airs Doctor Who).
 
At least it's better than the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, which totally butchered Journey's End by cutting out 21 minutes of it (you'd think they'd allocate a 90-minute timeslot for an episode of the most highly-rated program on CBC, but apparently not. Although I prefer broadcast TV over cable TV, I'm glad that CBC no longer airs Doctor Who).
"Journey's End" would be better served on a commercial network by chopping it into two parts. It's long enough that, split in half and with a "Previously on" recap created, it would fit two hour slots with commercial breaks quite naturally.
 
Wow.

Loved it!

Can't wait for the second half.

PS: I may be totally alone on this, but I have taken to watching Doctor Who with the closed captioning on. They all speak so fast and their accents are so strong, I have trouble understanding them! It drives me nuts.

:lol:

It sucks getting old.

:wah:
 
PS: I may be totally alone on this, but I have taken to watching Doctor Who with the closed captioning on. They all speak so fast and their accents are so strong, I have trouble understanding them! It drives me nuts.

You Are Not Alone (YANA :p)

Out of the three main actors, I have the hardest time understanding Matt Smith. Whether it's the accent or the delivery, I'm not sure. I usually tape each episode (yes, with a VHS tape...I guess that dates me :)) and watch the tape. Although I can understand him most of the time, I sometimes find myself rewinding the tape upwards of four or five times in an attempt to understand what Smith is saying (and sometimes I just give up).

Karen Gillan is considerably easier for me to understand, with Arthur Darvill the easiest by far.
 
YANA here, too, Digits and Slugboy. I always have CC on. Interesting to catch differences, too, though sometimes the CC doesn’t keep up or is incomplete.

If Avery & Co. got Kovarian’s ship, uh, when and how did she get away ... and with Melody yet?

River tells Rory that the day she sees the Doctor and he doesn’t know her, “it’ll kill me.” Sure enough, huh?

BTW, Rory kicks ten kinds of ass. Hubby, who has not been watching, actually watched this episode, having gotten hooked by Rory’s intro scene.
 
DW often has frantically gabbled exposition, sometimes during loud action sequences (EVERYTHING LOUDER AT THE SAME TIME!). Even we Brits have trouble staying on top of the dialogue at times...

:D
 
I put the captions on, not because of the accents (I grew up in the UK) but because of the sometimes overwhelming musical score that drowns the dialogue.
 
If Avery & Co. got Kovarian’s ship, uh, when and how did she get away ... and with Melody yet?
Wee spot of plot hole, I think.

Kovarian tells the Soldiers to get the baby, which they do. She also tells them that the Doctor must believe he's winning until the real trap falls.

This to me suggests that the only time we ever saw the real baby Melody was at the beginning, when Kovarian takes her from Amy ("Two minutes..."). After that it was a fake baby all along, even the one the soldiers brought was the fake one. This is because Kovarian predicted exactly what the Doctor would do and had already stashed Melody away somewhere else.

As for Kovarian herself, after Rory brings her to meet the Doctor, she just kind of disappears off the storyline. Possibly whoever was supposed to be looking after her failed and/or died and she got away, using a backup escape route that was not the Avery-captured ship.

Or possibly Kovarian was actually elsewhere the whole time and the version we saw through most of the episode was a Ganger herself who simply reverted to liquid after being captured. Then the real Kovarian called the Doctor up from wherever she really was, with the real Melody also with her.

Kind of a plot hole either way, but I suspect a deliberate one so that we would be surprised.
 
Didn't she leave when the Doctor told them to run away? He essentially let everyone escape.

I agree the babies were switched during the "two minutes" part.
 
All of you have made me feel a lot better about using the CC!

:lol:

Yes, Matt Smith is the hardest to understand. And yes, sometimes the surrounding noises (usually music and explosions) make it harder.
 
All of you have made me feel a lot better about using the CC!

:lol:

Yes, Matt Smith is the hardest to understand. And yes, sometimes the surrounding noises (usually music and explosions) make it harder.
The real bummer of it is you don't even always realize when you missed something

With the Corsair, when The Doctor says he was a bad boy, she was <paraphrased>, I didn't even notice he switched genders, until someone pointed it out on this board.

Also, regarding the Moment, at first I didn't understand "The Moment" to be a weapon, I took it in the context as "He had one moment to do something, and he used the moment to..."
 
To be honest that was my original understanding of The Moment. I thought it just meant the Doctor had the upper hand!
 
Oh, and I want more steampunk sword-wielding lesbian lizard action.

I can't tell you what I'd want to write with them in...

I would watch the hell out of a series about them :)

Am I the only one who got a "Lady Penelope" vibe from her when we first saw her step off the coach with "I shan't need you anymore tonight, Parker" and the Cockney/nasal reply "Very good, milady."?
 
So this also means that it's Lil' River who kills the Doctor in the premiere. I guess this is the crime that she's in jail for as I always suspected, killing the Doctor. However she's working with the same Catholic army keeping her in jail for killing Doctor as the ones that try to kill the Doctor in the first place, no? Do they have a change of heart?

She was just a child then though - do you think they would imprison a child for 40-ish years for killing someone?
 
So this also means that it's Lil' River who kills the Doctor in the premiere. I guess this is the crime that she's in jail for as I always suspected, killing the Doctor. However she's working with the same Catholic army keeping her in jail for killing Doctor as the ones that try to kill the Doctor in the first place, no? Do they have a change of heart?

She was just a child then though - do you think they would imprison a child for 40-ish years for killing someone?

And how would the authorities in the 51st century know what she did in the 21st?
 
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