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6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!
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It just occurred to me, though: if Amy got some Time Lord DNA while conceiving Melody on the TARDIS... does that mean that Sexy is secretly cheating on the Doctor?
I've got another image of Suranne Jones in my head... I don't think I want to get rid of it now.
(On the other hand, given the Doctor's reaction to the various bits of baby news in the episode, he's probably the type who prefers an open relationship, the kinky thing.)
I've got another image of Suranne Jones in my head... I don't think I want to get rid of it now.
(On the other hand, given the Doctor's reaction to the various bits of baby news in the episode, he's probably the type who prefers an open relationship, the kinky thing.
)Doubt it - sure you can start messing about with people's DNA but it still wouldn't be Time Lord society nor would the Doctor feel any association for them. They aren't Gallifreyan and all the history and tradition that went with that planet. Superman is the last son of Krypton, the Doctor is the last son of Gallifrey.
Or Rory's not her father, considering that he didn't exist post-Silurian story and so couldn't have been a party to her conception.
That could be why Amy calls the baby "Melody Pond." She knows Rory isn't the father.
Amy's parents no longer existed either. She seemed to get by just fine.
BTW, as far as the reveal that River was Amy's daughter. For random speculation, it's possible to think of it. But the idea of meaning of "the only water in the forest is the river" for the name change was clever. Sure, people could go "she said river, it's about river song!" but I don't know if many people grasped the true significance of the whole thing. Overall, I thought it was cleverly done. It wasn't technically completely out of the blue, but it was surprising for anyone who didn't idly speculate on every possible possibility.
Or Rory's not her father, considering that he didn't exist post-Silurian story and so couldn't have been a party to her conception.
That could be why Amy calls the baby "Melody Pond." She knows Rory isn't the father.
Amy's parents no longer existed either. She seemed to get by just fine.
BTW, as far as the reveal that River was Amy's daughter. For random speculation, it's possible to think of it. But the idea of meaning of "the only water in the forest is the river" for the name change was clever. Sure, people could go "she said river, it's about river song!" but I don't know if many people grasped the true significance of the whole thing. Overall, I thought it was cleverly done. It wasn't technically completely out of the blue, but it was surprising for anyone who didn't idly speculate on every possible possibility.
Thing is, if no one had guessed whatever the River Song reveal turned out to be, "Moffat Who" would be accused of lazy writing and pulling that reveal out of nowhere. And as Alidar Jarok says, the "Only water in the Forest is River" twist was very well played, many guessed it was a reference to the Library Episodes
If I remember the episode correctly, merely conceiving in the Vortex is not enough. When the Doctor, Madame Vastra and Dorium were in the control room, the discussion went something like this (this is from memory, so it may not be word-for-word):
THE DOCTOR: But it doesn't make sense! You can't just cook yourself a new Time Lord!
MADAME VASTRA: Of course not! But you gave them one hell of a start and they've been working very hard ever since.
So from the dialogue above, it sounds like Madame Kovarian and friends needed to do a lot of tinkering to the fetus to impart the appropriate Time Lord characteristics. In other words, humans conceiving in the Vortex is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the resulting baby to have Time Lord traits.
Or Rory's not her father, considering that he didn't exist post-Silurian story and so couldn't have been a party to her conception.
That could be why Amy calls the baby "Melody Pond." She knows Rory isn't the father.
Amy's parents no longer existed either. She seemed to get by just fine.
BTW, as far as the reveal that River was Amy's daughter. For random speculation, it's possible to think of it. But the idea of meaning of "the only water in the forest is the river" for the name change was clever. Sure, people could go "she said river, it's about river song!" but I don't know if many people grasped the true significance of the whole thing. Overall, I thought it was cleverly done. It wasn't technically completely out of the blue, but it was surprising for anyone who didn't idly speculate on every possible possibility.
Thing is, if no one had guessed whatever the River Song reveal turned out to be, "Moffat Who" would be accused of lazy writing and pulling that reveal out of nowhere. And as Alidar Jarok says, the "Only water in the Forest is River" twist was very well played, many guessed it was a reference to the Library Episodes
I think what surprised me is it was played quite literally. There was a forest where the only water was a river. But, because of that river, pond became river. Makes a lot of sense, but I don't think anyone would have thought that.
Except that Amy was conceived and born before her parents fell in the crack. River hadn't even been conceived before Rory unhappened, if the Doctor's babble about the "wedding night" is to be taken literally. Add to that River's unfamiliarity with Rory in "The Big Bang" (she doesn't recognize him and she exists in a timeline where he does not) and there's enough circumstantial evidence that River is not Rory's daughter.Amy's parents no longer existed either. She seemed to get by just fine.Or Rory's not her father, considering that he didn't exist post-Silurian story and so couldn't have been a party to her conception.
That could be why Amy calls the baby "Melody Pond." She knows Rory isn't the father.
Too bad conception inside the Time Vortex rules out van Gogh as a possible father.
Is she honestly unfamiliar with him, or did she just know that she had to act as though she was unfamiliar with him? It looks to me like her first meeting (from her POV) with Rory occurred in "A Good Man Goes to War." It's entirely possible that she was simply told to behave as though she didn't know him when the day came that she would get the call from Sir Winston.
And River's existing in a timeline in which Rory never lived isn't evidence of anything. Amy continued to exist in a timeline in which her parents had never existed, after all.
... actually, that might be the solution. Amy continued to exist yet retained no memory of her parents after one of the Cracks ate them. River could just have continued to exist with no memory of Rory.
I finally got around to watching this and I've got to say I'm disappointed. It just didn't do it for me.
I've skimmed over what some other people have said, and I think the problem for me is that the show is just getting way too self-referential. My wife was totally confused by the time we were 5 minutes in and was convinced we'd skipped an episode (we hadn't). When that's the reaction of someone who's been watching since 2005 and genuinely likes the show, I think something's wrong. I'm not going to get worked up into a frothy rage over it, but if I'm being honest it just makes for a TV show that I enjoy less.
Personally, I don't like the idea of the Doctor as an intergalactic celebrity who can raise armies by calling in favors--it just kind of spoils the fun of the show for me. I'd much rather have "The Lodger" than galactic alliances and intrigue, because I think the show works better on that kind of personal level.
I definitely liked last season better than this one, just because it felt more accessible. AGMGTW works great if you've got every detail of the show memorized or you're sitting in front of your computer and cross-checking everything against the Tardis wiki, but for just sitting down and watching an hour of TV, it didn't do it. At least for me, although I can appreciate that I'm in the minority here.
Anyway, I can honestly say that it's not going to be any kind of hardship to see how they resolve the cliffhanger, and I was actually thinking that it wouldn't be the worst thing if they rested/rebooted the franchise after Smith was done as the Doctor.
I've skimmed over what some other people have said, and I think the problem for me is that the show is just getting way too self-referential. My wife was totally confused by the time we were 5 minutes in and was convinced we'd skipped an episode (we hadn't). When that's the reaction of someone who's been watching since 2005 and genuinely likes the show, I think something's wrong. I'm not going to get worked up into a frothy rage over it, but if I'm being honest it just makes for a TV show that I enjoy less.
Personally, I don't like the idea of the Doctor as an intergalactic celebrity who can raise armies by calling in favors--it just kind of spoils the fun of the show for me. I'd much rather have "The Lodger" than galactic alliances and intrigue, because I think the show works better on that kind of personal level.
I definitely liked last season better than this one, just because it felt more accessible. AGMGTW works great if you've got every detail of the show memorized or you're sitting in front of your computer and cross-checking everything against the Tardis wiki, but for just sitting down and watching an hour of TV, it didn't do it. At least for me, although I can appreciate that I'm in the minority here.
Anyway, I can honestly say that it's not going to be any kind of hardship to see how they resolve the cliffhanger, and I was actually thinking that it wouldn't be the worst thing if they rested/rebooted the franchise after Smith was done as the Doctor.
Ah! Good catch!
I wonder, then, if perhaps there is significance to River's comments about a Timelord's cells in "The Impossible Astronaut." Why was that Silent there?
Except that Amy was conceived and born before her parents fell in the crack. River hadn't even been conceived before Rory unhappened, if the Doctor's babble about the "wedding night" is to be taken literally.Amy's parents no longer existed either. She seemed to get by just fine.Or Rory's not her father, considering that he didn't exist post-Silurian story and so couldn't have been a party to her conception.
That could be why Amy calls the baby "Melody Pond." She knows Rory isn't the father.
That assumes that time is a strict progression of cause to effect.
Because that's what this Doctor does.
Well, it reminded me of him going to the Shadow Proclamation, which he never did before he chose to. The kitchen sink throwing in of old companions was kind of an army as well. This was just an army he chose (that we haven't seen before). Also, how often have companions been kidnapped and he's had time to do something like this? Generally, he's on a planet and they're taken as part of the events.
There were always other solutions, or fixed moments that couldn't be meddled with
Frontier In Space comes to mind the Doctor was able to get both the Draconians and humans on his saide against the Daleks and the Master. But mainly it's a matter of budget I think.
And she wasn't merely kidnapped, she was deliberately kidnapped with quite a lot of effort. Probably at a time she wasn't with the Doctor. Just for knowing him. So it wasn't just kidnapping, it wasn't just a companion that happened to be with him and got kidnapped, and also it was apparent to the Doctor that everything was a part of something bigger, and something relating to him. Not to mention that the circumstances by which it happened could make anyone very angry, including the Doctor.
It's one thing to go somewhere and have your friend kidnapped by someone who took advantage of your presence there. It's another to learn that your friend has been kidnapped a year ago by someone unknown because of you, and the whole thing happened when you two weren't even together.
Not to mention the signal being transmitted into the TARDIS no matter when and where they were. As the 10th Doctor would say "That's fearsome technology"
