Well the Doctor did say "After what we've learned today I'll make this as humane as possible." or something to that affect.
6x06 The Almost People (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)
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There could be different versions of gangers. Maybe the one Amy was hooked to was like a shell without copying the originals mind.
I gave this episode a Geronimo, I really enjoyed it. The people that are being hard on this episode should go back and watch some of the Colin Baker and early Sylvester McCoy classic Who episodes to appreciate how good these episodes are.
I gave this episode a Geronimo, I really enjoyed it. The people that are being hard on this episode should go back and watch some of the Colin Baker and early Sylvester McCoy classic Who episodes to appreciate how good these episodes are.
When Ganger Doctor briefly slips into the 10th Doctor:
"Hello, I'm the Doctor"
he followed up with "Let it go! We've moved on!"
A jab at 10th doctor fans moving on?
"Hello, I'm the Doctor"
he followed up with "Let it go! We've moved on!"
A jab at 10th doctor fans moving on?
This Doctor really has no compunctions when he feels that it's time to act. 'Basically, run' indeed.
I really enjoyed this one, particularly how The Doctor managed to get himself some spoilers while determining if Amy was 'real' or not. It seems that this Doctor may be the most dark and dangerous of them all, wrapped in a kooky coating. Matt Smith really nailed it this week and I think that between this episode and 'The Doctor's Wife,' I've reached the point where I don't think that Tennant would have done better. High praise.
When Ganger Doctor briefly slips into the 10th Doctor:
"Hello, I'm the Doctor"
he followed up with "Let it go! We've moved on!"
A jab at 10th doctor fans moving on?
Possibly a jab at 10th's looooooooooooooooooooooooong regeneration.
I couldn't understand some dialogue
-When Ganger Jen looked the doctor and amy
"Rory pond or atticus pond!.........."
-When the doctor and one of the workers are talking
Worker-You're not *Something*?
The Doctor-Oh earth yes
Work- Well seeing as earth is all that's on...
-When Ganger Jen looked the doctor and amy
"Rory pond or atticus pond!.........."
-When the doctor and one of the workers are talking
Worker-You're not *Something*?
The Doctor-Oh earth yes
Work- Well seeing as earth is all that's on...
Okay, BlastHardCheese, the ganger Amy is not sentient, not like those other gangers. The fact that she was feeling the contractions is evidence enough of that. And don't argue the clot, both of the Cleaves had clots.
The Doctor had to get Amy aware of her real body, as she was going to give birth. His priority had to be the lady and her baby, not the other Amy. Besides, they've still got the matter. Not a hard thing to remake her.
The Doctor had to get Amy aware of her real body, as she was going to give birth. His priority had to be the lady and her baby, not the other Amy. Besides, they've still got the matter. Not a hard thing to remake her.
I'm not sure I see any controversy in the Doctor destroying ganger Amy... yes he spent the majority of the two parter preaching about how the other gangers where just as human as the originals, and I agree with him. But they ended up being completely seperate individuals from the originals. Amy was one conciousness being projected into a doppelganger. I think thats a huge difference between the two.
Okay JRoss, you're completely missing my point. I don't need to argue the clot because like you, I was smart enough to recognize that the clot was also a replication.
The gangers of the digging crew gained independent life when the electrical storm hit. Before that, they were just like remote probes controlled via a mental link. Like Amy's ganger was. All it would take in the show would be some electrical discharge plot device to turn the Amy ganger into a new and separate Amy with the old Amy waking up in that chamber.
Of course they didn't take this route, but the episodes did make a very strong point that gangers have the right to independent life, regardless of whether or not they've been "awoken" by outside influence.
Does anyone remember River also had stomach issues in "The Impossible Astronaut"
.....what the hell was all that at the end?
If Ganger!Amy had gained sapience the way the other Gangers had, then she would have disconnected from Real!Amy the way the other Gangers disconnected from their "pilots" during that storm. The fact that Ganger!Amy apparently retained no independent neurological activity and was in essence a massive relay device to Real!Amy strongly indicates that Ganger!Amy remained non-sapient.
Further, we don't know that the Doctor actually harmed Ganger!Amy. It's entirely possible that he disrupted her shape, but then dropped the Ganger back off somewhere where it could go off and live a happy, non-sapient life like any other non-sapient animal. The disruption of Ganger!Amy's form happened far too quickly for us to assume that he melted her the way the Humans were melting their Gangers.
And he might respond that continuing to let Amy's abductors monitor his actions and thereby prevent him from rescuing Amy is far more horrible. Certainly I for one would rather be in control of my own body and know where I am than be trapped piloting a remote control body whose existence is just a means to trap me.
Does the Doctor actually know that it's Real!Amy controlling the Ganger!Amy? Or does he just know that there's a signal controlling Ganger!Amy? If all he knows is the latter, then he has to operate on the assumption that it's Amy's abductors who have been controlling Ganger!Amy, not Amy herself -- in which case, he shouldn't warn them of anything.
Set up?
"turns out...shoes have soles"
A cliff hanger?
It did seem off to melt Amy after all that happened in these episodes. Even assuming she's a non-sentient conduit it seems like a mixed message. Maybe it's subversive though, and we the viewers had been made to feel for a ganger, reinforcing the message in a strange way?
Pretty brilliant explanation for the peeks from the eye-patch woman though.
And was I the only one thinking just make a frickin' run for the TARDIS and shut the doors? They really should have made that corridor a lot longer which would have justified staying back.
I thought this episode was a lot better than the last. I wasn't really that keen on seeing this at all after the last episode but this one really was a marked improvement.
Pretty brilliant explanation for the peeks from the eye-patch woman though.
And was I the only one thinking just make a frickin' run for the TARDIS and shut the doors? They really should have made that corridor a lot longer which would have justified staying back.
I thought this episode was a lot better than the last. I wasn't really that keen on seeing this at all after the last episode but this one really was a marked improvement.
I found this episode to be pretty good. I liked the first part okay, but was not expecting much from this one - the whole, them vs. us, it's war!!! deal was annoying, so I'm glad it was not a huge focal point in the episode.
I wonder, did Amy prefer GangerDoctor because he was a Ganger and she subconciously knew that, or beause she thought he was PrimeDoctor?
I wonder, did Amy prefer GangerDoctor because he was a Ganger and she subconciously knew that, or beause she thought he was PrimeDoctor?
I'm not sure why some people are still thinking that ganger Amy and human Amy are two different beings. I think that it was pretty clear that ganger Amy was basically an extension of the real Amy. The only difference between human and ganger Amy was the physical form. For all tense and purposes, everything that ganger Amy experienced was experienced by human Amy.
So no, The Doctor wasn't hypocritical by seemingly killing a sentient ganger because that wasn't the case. All he did was sever the link from one form to another but the real Amy was with them the whole time, just not physically.
So no, The Doctor wasn't hypocritical by seemingly killing a sentient ganger because that wasn't the case. All he did was sever the link from one form to another but the real Amy was with them the whole time, just not physically.