60th Anniversary 1701 Cutaway

[Racer_X]

Well said, Aridas. I'd like to add that Matt Jefferies wasn't an idiot - he knew what he was doing, and it all still holds up very well after all these decades. He had on the order of days, weeks, or months to figure things out, not 60 years - so I think we can cut him some slack on any inconsistencies. Plus, I would think that creator's intent would take some precedence with people today, but his thought-processes seem to be continually ignored.

As for the turbolift nubbin on the back of the bridge, in all these years I've been on the TrekBBS, I don't recall seeing anyone suggest the most obvious fix - move the nubbin 50ish degrees to port. We know the real-life reasons why the nubbin is where it is, but it probably should be moved. I'm usually a purist, but this is the only thing I would change to the model, the rest of it is perfect as-is.

 

[korblborp]

putting the phasers in the areola i find a bit strange.

if we are going to move the nubbin we might as well imagine the bridge is offset forward slightly inside the dome to allow travel space for the lift to move from the nub to the position. or slightly smaller and more cramped. or slightly sunken. or that the lift is slightly smaller and more cramped. or that the bridge dome is just slightly wider to accomodate. or that it is just right behind the captain after all.

all minor things that don't necessitate rescaling the entire ship, mind

 

[Tallguy]

The 430 figure (428 in "Charlie X") is repeated in dialogue on multiple occasions in the episodes themselves.
The phrase, "nine hundred and forty-seven feet," is never uttered onscreen even once.

True. But that 947 figure stayed remarkably static from the creatives over a LONG time. There are multiple drawings that MJ did that stick to it. He based his TMP redesign on it.

Really: The most salient figure is: It's about the size of an aircraft carrier.

For some reason - I’ll blame it on TMP - there is this need to make the Enterprise be a big hotel in space.

That's interesting that you lay the blame on TMP. Other than Hyatt Regency orange the TMP ship isn't very cuddly either. The bridge certainly isn't. The only overt nod to comfort is the rec deck. And from wandering around on the Roddenberry archive? It's not THAT big!

If I was going to look at "huge living spaces, everything is carpeted, community in space" I would look at TNG. And while I love many things about SNW, going with this "Everyone has a living space that would make the cast of Friends jealous" isn't one of them.

 

[Tallguy]

As for the turbolift nubbin on the back of the bridge, in all these years I've been on the TrekBBS, I don't recall seeing anyone suggest the most obvious fix - move the nubbin 50ish degrees to port. We know the real-life reasons why the nubbin is where it is, but it probably should be moved. I'm usually a purist, but this is the only thing I would change to the model, the rest of it is perfect as-is.

My next Enterprise model will do just this. If I can add detail to both sides of the ship, I can move the turbolift! (It's 30 something degrees, isn't it?)

 

[aridas sofia]

My next Enterprise model will do just this. If I can add detail to both sides of the ship, I can move the turbolift! (It's 30 something degrees, isn't it?)

37 degrees if memory serves.

As you know, drop the bridge a half deck and you can do whatever you want with it and not change any external details. That’s what Jefferies did on his cross section.

As for who started the hotel look sure, TNG is the biggest early violator. Let’s put that on Probert (without knowing for sure). But I mean not the biggest early, just the first signs of it. Roddenberry was concerned from early on that the ship look livable for long durations away from port. He didn’t want any Abraham Lincolns in space, if you know what I mean. He planned a fancy enlarged rec area and then a holo rec deck. So, he was thinking more than meatloaf turkey, contraband booze, and Hamlet in a ship’s theater.

But it goes beyond the upholstery in TMP. How big are Kirk’s quarters compared to TOS? They put windows on an officers’ lounge and a botanical garden. AND the rec deck. So let’s lay that one on Mike Minor. But both he and Probert were responding to Roddenberry. And no less than Jefferies himself said they’d made his ship into a hotel (when referring to the TMP interiors in a circa 2000 interview again, if memory serves).

All this is really on GR, and thus it shows how his thinking evolved. When he was workingt with Jefferies, the shared military experience must have given MJ a freer hand to do it the way he thought it should be done. And while we have been told MJ didn’t come back because of Little House, it might have been the intention to make something he thought should look utilitarian into something more comfortable that at least influenced his saying no.

 

[David cgc]

How big are Kirk’s quarters compared to TOS?

Well, now I have to know. I grabbed the relevant diagrams from here and quickly rescaled them, eyeballing the transporter pad and turbolift.



As I suspected, they're about the same overall, though the movie version is split something like 65/35 between the bedroom and the office, while the TOS version was 50/50, which makes the part we see seem more spacious (plus, the widescreen filming).

 

[UssGlenn]

He didn’t want any Abraham Lincolns in space, if you know what I mean.

Except for the time he literally had Abraham Lincoln appear in space.