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6.5x08 Let's Kill Hitler (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)

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I haven't seen the episode so bear with me...

So... how many regenerations did River have left? When she donated them to the Doctor is he allowed him to absorb those regenerations (assuming such a fanwanky thing is possible)? So instead of 2 Doctors left we might actually have like 8 or 9 left in the pipeline?
 
Remember the metacrisis with 10.1 and DoctorDonna?

10 fired off most of his fauxgeneration into that hand and Donna to alarming effect.

However...

The doctor could have given the master one of his regenerations to save him from that gun shot at the apex of last of the Timelords... then of course with all that coalesced human psychic energy he didn't need to fire off a regeneration at his old "friend".

He could have saved the master if he really wanted, but it seems that despite the snot and tears that he just didn't.

What a poseur.
 
Yeah but he wasn't actually regenerating in LotTL, whereas River was and Ten was in Journey's End. Wouldn't the Fifth Doctor have needed to use a machine to transfer his regenerations in Mawdryn?
 
I haven't seen the episode so bear with me...

So... how many regenerations did River have left? When she donated them to the Doctor is he allowed him to absorb those regenerations (assuming such a fanwanky thing is possible)? So instead of 2 Doctors left we might actually have like 8 or 9 left in the pipeline?
My impression was that she used her regenerations to heal him and bring him back to life only. Not to give him more regenerations. But! It is one way of getting out of the 12 regenerations problem.
It's not stated how many she had but seems like she has only regenerated twice until that point.
 
So... how many regenerations did River have left? When she donated them to the Doctor is he allowed him to absorb those regenerations (assuming such a fanwanky thing is possible)? So instead of 2 Doctors left we might actually have like 8 or 9 left in the pipeline?
I don't think we should be thinking of it in terms of numbers. It wasn't like River was doling out slips of gold-pressed latinum to the Doctor. It wasn't like, "Here's a regeneration, and here's another regeneration, and hold on, I'm sure I've got another one round here somewhere..."

She gave him all her regeneration energy, but I don't see it being parcelled out in specific numbers. He was on the verge of actual non-regenerative death - it was an all-or-nothing kind of thing.

On the other hand, if they do eventually decide to make a big deal out of the regeneration limit thing, I have no doubt that they'll come back to this to explain it.


The doctor could have given the master one of his regenerations to save him from that gun shot at the apex of last of the Timelords...
Yeah but he wasn't actually regenerating in LotTL, whereas River was and Ten was in Journey's End. Wouldn't the Fifth Doctor have needed to use a machine to transfer his regenerations in Mawdryn?
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Starkers on this one - this "passing on regenerations" thing only works when the person is actually in a regeneration cycle, because that's the only time they have access to regenerative energy to use it.

When the Master died in LotTL, the Doctor wasn't in a regenerative cycle, so there was nothing he could do. Maybe there is a technology that can do the job, but the Doctor didn't exactly have time to run off and get it, and even if he did, the technology was probably lost along with the rest of Gallifrey.

Isn't it amazing how much detail we can continually pull out of this crap to talk about?

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Someone said:
When the Master died in LotTL, the Doctor wasn't in a regenerative cycle, so there was nothing he could do. Maybe there is a technology that can do the job, but the Doctor didn't exactly have time to run off and get it, and even if he did, the technology was probably lost along with the rest of Gallifrey.

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Well, The Timelords seemed to be able to give and take regeneration ability or counts at a drop of a hat.
 
Someone said:
When the Master died in LotTL, the Doctor wasn't in a regenerative cycle, so there was nothing he could do. Maybe there is a technology that can do the job, but the Doctor didn't exactly have time to run off and get it, and even if he did, the technology was probably lost along with the rest of Gallifrey.
Well, The Timelords seemed to be able to give and take regeneration ability or counts at a drop of a hat.
...With the technology available on Gallifrey, yes quite possibly. But no more Gallifrey, no more technology, unless the TARDIS itself has that capacity too. If so, we've never heard it mentioned. But then of course we've never had reason for it to be mentioned, I suppose.

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Someone said:
When the Master died in LotTL, the Doctor wasn't in a regenerative cycle, so there was nothing he could do. Maybe there is a technology that can do the job, but the Doctor didn't exactly have time to run off and get it, and even if he did, the technology was probably lost along with the rest of Gallifrey.
Well, The Timelords seemed to be able to give and take regeneration ability or counts at a drop of a hat.
...With the technology available on Gallifrey, yes quite possibly. But no more Gallifrey, no more technology, unless the TARDIS itself has that capacity too. If so, we've never heard it mentioned. But then of course we've never had reason for it to be mentioned, I suppose.

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Yea, wouldn't that be something. Doctor 13 dies, and knows he has no more regenerations, expecting to just fade away and Sexy regenerates him to his astonishment. Doctor 14 gets up, looks at the console and decries "Whoa, that wasn't supposed to happen. Sexy...Did you do that?"
 
Someone said:
When the Master died in LotTL, the Doctor wasn't in a regenerative cycle, so there was nothing he could do. Maybe there is a technology that can do the job, but the Doctor didn't exactly have time to run off and get it, and even if he did, the technology was probably lost along with the rest of Gallifrey.
Well, The Timelords seemed to be able to give and take regeneration ability or counts at a drop of a hat.
...With the technology available on Gallifrey, yes quite possibly. But no more Gallifrey, no more technology, unless the TARDIS itself has that capacity too. If so, we've never heard it mentioned. But then of course we've never had reason for it to be mentioned, I suppose.

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Well didn't the Master try to steal the Doctor's remaining regenerations in the TV movie using Tech on the Tardis?
 
Well, The Timelords seemed to be able to give and take regeneration ability or counts at a drop of a hat.
...With the technology available on Gallifrey, yes quite possibly. But no more Gallifrey, no more technology, unless the TARDIS itself has that capacity too. If so, we've never heard it mentioned. But then of course we've never had reason for it to be mentioned, I suppose.
Well didn't the Master try to steal the Doctor's remaining regenerations in the TV movie using Tech on the Tardis?

Oooooooh! :cool:

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I still get the feeling that something big is going to happen to River. Mainly, my instinct comes from the fact that in The End of Time, The Doctor said something about having to "stay relative to the Master within the causal nexus". I take it to mean that Timelords typically have to stay in sync with each others' timeline. River, being Timelady-ish, should also have stayed relative but obviously she hasn't. I hope this will be addressed some day.
 
The TARDIS is now powered by Rift Energy because the Eye of harmony, a timelooping super nova connected to all Time Lord Technology was probably taken into the time War and locked in with Gallifrey.

So the room is probably still there unless the TARDIS converted it into fuel at some point.
 
The TARDIS is now powered by Rift Energy because the Eye of harmony, a timelooping super nova connected to all Time Lord Technology was probably taken into the time War and locked in with Gallifrey.

So the room is probably still there unless the TARDIS converted it into fuel at some point.

The rift was one of the cracks in time and it's closed now so the TARDIS can't refuel and since it was one of the time cracks the TARDIS was refueling from itself.
 
I went through two 2 litters of mountin dew watching the marthon and then got caught up on torchwood as well.
 
The TARDIS is now powered by Rift Energy because the Eye of harmony, a timelooping super nova connected to all Time Lord Technology was probably taken into the time War and locked in with Gallifrey.

So the room is probably still there unless the TARDIS converted it into fuel at some point.

The rift was one of the cracks in time and it's closed now so the TARDIS can't refuel and since it was one of the time cracks the TARDIS was refueling from itself.

I don't think the Torchwood rift was one of those cracks, nor the one leading to House's pocket universe.
 
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