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6.5x08 Let's Kill Hitler (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)

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loved it. I found it funny that HITLER had a british asceent. I am so looking forward to the rest of this season.

It worked for Rommel, the first time I heard a speech by him in a German history class I thought it odd he didn't sound like James Mason.
 
Fish Fingers and Custard

I found it very enjoyable, with a few issues.

The Moffat era seems to place a premium on being a romp above all else

I've noticed that too. It can still be a fun romp, though, depending on the episode.

Raise your hand if any of you thought of the 'David Tennant to return the Doctor Who' thread and had your fingers crossed while the Doctor was flipping through the various voice interfaces.

*raises hand*
 
Loved it.

Did anyone else do a double-take when Mels was escorted out of the principal's office? The guy they got to do that part looked an awful lot like Colin Firth. :lol:
 
Geronimo, loved it!

What I'd like to know is, with his strength failing and only 32 minutes to live, why did the Doctor feel it necessary to run off to the wardrobe and change into that tux??

Well thats obvious. He needed an outfit to match the cane.
 
Most of Doctor Who is self-contained and people have been bitching non-stop about the fact that there is an arc they don't feel like investing themselves in.

People? What people? All my friends who watch Doctor Who have said they're biggest interest is in how the current arc plays out. They enjoy it. I think it's the writers who don't feel like investing in the arc. They were doing so well with the Rebel Flesh and the Amy being pregnant storyline that I was expecting them to spend more time looking for Melody and encountering her while still young and possibly as an antagonist.

The arc has been set up as something that needs addressing eventually, but not necessarily right now. It was solved enough to push it off until later.

That's precisely what I'm getting at. They fob us off with a single episode resolution to a major element of the ongoing arc with no storytelling to flesh it out:

"Oh, Melody's now all grown up and a living weapon. How terrible! Oh, she just got shot by Hitler and now she looks like the River we know and love. Oh, and she just got saved from the dark side by the Doctor and she's changed her ways. How nice! Next episode please."

I was led to believe the Doctor having never risen higher nor fallen so low was meant to be a story told over the whole season, not a two-parter. I was expecting that we'd actually see something between Amy's baby being taken and growing into the little girl who regenerated in New York, and that we'd see something happen to that little girl that would lead her to meet Amy as kids and so forth. I think I got shafted.

Since they can't cross over their own timeline and probably shouldn't alter important parts of their history, there's not much they can do for now.

They can tell a better and longer story since they're so desperate to force the arc format on the audience. A good episode is meant to leave you wanting more. This episode didn't leave me wanting anything. All questions had been answered. Poorly. Now all that's left to do is go after and defeat the "Silence" or whoever the hell the series' big bad is. And as I've said before, the final mystery of the Doctor's death is so insulting to my intelligence (especially with a 2012 series with Matt smith being announced) that I don't even care how it gets resolved because it's a foregone conclusion that that the Doctor's death is averted.
 
It was a great episode. I loved the utter dumfounded look on Amy, Rory, and the Doctor when they found out that Mels was Melody and the loooong period that it took Melody finding that she was River Song. She kept on asking "Who the heck is River Song?" from the mouth of River Song.
 
Oh.

Melody didn't have enough spare regenerations to cure the doctor unless his future self, perhaps his alter from the acid factory, passed her on, stockup up, overclocked the little Pond with a couple extra to over egg the pudding and make sure that she would be able to save him in 1938.

Duh.
 
I don't know what to think of this episode. I agree with the critics and the haters. Season 6's arc has spun wildly out of control. It's overly complicated and therefore confusing. Too much is explained away or conveniently solved. And I've lost the whole POINT of it. What is the arc about? Saving Melody? Saving the Doctor? Defeating the silence? I'm almost at the point that I've stopped caring.

Having said that, I loved this episode. Funny, fast paced, action packed, moving and hugely entertaining. Also, I instantly like an episode with Alex Kingston.

But I would'n't mind if this'll be the last episode till the finale that addresses the arc. Doctor Who needs to do what it always did best, tell suspenseful and adventurous stand alone tales.
 
I'm 90% sure that we haven't seen the last of Evil!River/Melody. In fact, I think that the spacesuit

is still going to be piloted by Melody, or perhaps Mels, either before being freed by the Doctor (from her perspective) or in the time between regenerating into Mels and meeting Amelia. Obviously this'll require time travel but is there any reason this couldn't work?

I imagine we'll see Mels in The Girl Who Waited.

I'm also pretty sure that the occupant of the spacesuit will turn out to be the Doctor...
 
Well. I liked it. I do share some people's concerns. Part of the arc that I was looking forward to was seeing the Doctor and Mel having a few adventures and a romance gradually happening. So far, its been glossed over. But she does seem to have met the Doctor before this encounter which makes sense if they are going backwards in her timeline.

Some funny moments in the episode which I enjoyed. Some cliche stuff which I enjoyed. Very visual, imaginative type of episode.

Oh, any idea how Rory and Amy got back to their own time?
 
Epic! Very epic, great episode, A+ "Geronimo!"

Don't get all the negativity, this was a fun episode, a lot of surprises I didn't see coming, moves the story along, good stuff all around, I liked it a lot. Now we know how Melody regenerated into River. Clap Clap.

Sooooo much better than Torchwood's been.

On to the next...
 
Loved it.

Did anyone else do a double-take when Mels was escorted out of the principal's office? The guy they got to do that part looked an awful lot like Colin Firth. :lol:

Yeah, thought that too:)

As for the episode, it just didn't grab me. That's not to say it wasn't fun, it's just that it won't appear in my top list of episodes.
 
My only real big complaint is that Amy seems far too calm for a woman who lost her baby. Sure she knows it all works out in the end, but shouldn't she be demanding they go find baby Melody and avert the whole mess? I for one am enjoying the Moffat/Smith years for the most part, but Amy (and Rory too I suppose) is taking this all far too well.
 
Excellent episode, though I was very shocked that the story was NOT about Hitler but about River. I did not see Mels/River coming at all. Evil River was interesting, but I feel it's a wasted opportunity that she was redeemed in a single episode, she should have had several villain episodes.
 
I loved this episode with all my heart. I thought it tighter and a better episode that last season's finale. Really set in motion the whole tension of whether River Song's own will prevails in some way or if she cannot escape her programmed destiny.
 
I know it's pointless posting if you don't like it stop watching. But face it Moffat isn't going anywhere any time soon.

This is the how the show is now and I love it.
 
I get that they're trying to tell a more complex story this season, but it's just not working for me. The story they're telling just isn't interesting enough, or goes off in odd directions.
I thought it was an entertaining enough episode and a downright brilliant episode if you're a fan of the River Song / Melody Pond storyline which unfortunately I really REALLY am not.

I disliked River waaaay back when we were first introduced to her and I dislike her now. Her story doesn't interest me one bit and Amy and Rory's selling of the angle is so far off base is almost untrue. They should be freaking out way more.

I'm all for complex storylines. Just not this one.
 
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