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5x03 Victory of the Daleks (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!

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Having thought about it over night, I came up with three dialogue changes that would have helped the episodes logic immensely.

Controller: "Incoming bombers. ETA ten minutes."

Churchill: "And we'll have the entire bloody Luftwaffe overhead inside of ninety minutes if we don't douse those lights!"


Ditch the whole overly long "Its theoretical that we could send something into space" scene. Replace it with two lines.

Churchill: "I think its about time we gave Squadron 40 a chance to try out their new wings."

Scientist "But we haven't finished testing those!"


And by way of explaining how they managed to disarm the robots bomb by reminding him of his girlfriend:

The Doctor: "The Daleks don't have the technology to simulate real emotions, so they've had to copy them from a living human brain."

Sort of explains things better, and it'd be a nice callback to Davison's 'Resurrection of the Daleks'.
Add in the Doctor being forced to disarm/disable him after it doesn't work and I agree with all points. This Doctor has been getting off far too easy so far. Saving the day through the power of love was just too much for me.
 
If this is an alternate reality it explains the Daleks new look and the fat Churchill.

The Daleks said they found the progenitor device AFTER they fell through time in their ship, this would mean it is the Progenitor device FROM this altered reality, maybe Davros from this reality had a very crappy sense of design....?
 
So far I am unimpressed with Matt Smith and the overall episodes. I thought VOTD was the best of the 3 so far.
 
Moving on, the "progenitor" where exactly did that come from? something pre the time war? if these thing exist, how come the Cult of Skaro never tried to revive them? then again they would have had the same problem as the other Daleks. Was the "progenitor" protected from the effects of the Time War?

The Progenitor was apparently a Dalek reproduction device (thank God the mutants don't get frisky!). The casings and "paradigm" were probably a feature; it would produce whatever kind of Daleks were needed at the moment. It was just dumb luck that the surviving saucer found it, a bit of debris from the Time War. The Cult of Skarro probably didn't have the resources, and definitely didn't have the inclination, to track it down, assuming they knew one had survived at all (remember, after their army was sent into the Void at Canary Wharf, Sec decided the last thing the Daleks needed was more of the old Daleks).

The Cult wouldn't have had trouble being recognized as Pure Dalek, though. Aside from those four, the Dalek from "Dalek," the Emperor from "Parting of the Ways," and the millions from inside the Genesis Arc are the only original Daleks we've seen, and they would've had no trouble using the Progenitor. The Dalek army from "Ways," grown from human corpses, and the one from "Journey's End," made of pieces of Davros, wouldn't have worked, though. I wonder if the Progenitor would've worked for Davros himself...

Also, now that someone suggested it, it's an interesting question of these three survivors came from "Ways" or "End." My first impression was "End," but given their self-loathing (gladly offering themselves up to be destroyed by the purer Daleks), they seem more like the "Ways" Daleks. Smarter than them, though, so I guess it's a wash.
 
Late to the party this weekend...watched the episode and agree that it was the weakest of the series so far but still was interesting. I'm fascinated by the altered reality and I'm inclined to agree that Amy is the focal point of the crack in time and space. Next weekend should be a blast though...the return of the Weeping Angels and River Song!
 
Late to the party this weekend...watched the episode and agree that it was the weakest of the series so far but still was interesting. I'm fascinated by the altered reality and I'm inclined to agree that Amy is the focal point of the crack in time and space. Next weekend should be a blast though...the return of the Weeping Angels and River Song!

...and River meets Pond.
 
I liked this episode more than the Lazarus Experiment, but it still falls kind of flat. I'll give high marks for the spectacle sure, but everything else is just too rushed.

Oh, did anyone notice that the android has a positronic brain? Apparently the Daleks perfected Dr. Soong's design! Take THAT, Data, Lore, and third-brother-who-shall-not-be-named!
 
I think Doctor Who used the term long before Trek. I can't remember where but I'm pretty sure I've heard the term in one of the black-and-white episodes.

I just ckecked the Who wiki, it's in Evil of the Daleks, a second Doctor story. In fact, the Doctor constructs positronic brains there. :)
 
I think Doctor Who used the term long before Trek. I can't remember where but I'm pretty sure I've heard the term in one of the black-and-white episodes.

I just ckecked the Who wiki, it's in Evil of the Daleks, a second Doctor story. In fact, the Doctor constructs positronic brains there. :)

Orrrr Dr. Soong tried to copy the design but failed in nearly every way! There we go :)
 
I think Doctor Who used the term long before Trek. I can't remember where but I'm pretty sure I've heard the term in one of the black-and-white episodes.

I just ckecked the Who wiki, it's in Evil of the Daleks, a second Doctor story. In fact, the Doctor constructs positronic brains there. :)

*cough* Isaac Asimov *cough"
 
Wikipedia says it was "Power of the Daleks", but you know how that goes.

At any rate, Asimov conceived the term more than twenty years earlier.
 
It's in both stories, apparently, but I remembered it from Evil of the Daleks. In Power of the Daleks, I was preoccupied with being mesmerised that the planet the land on is called Vulcan.
 
The 'tips of the hat' to Power of the Daleks ("I am your soldier!") & Evil of the Daleks ("The final end!") were nice, if rather minor. But this should have been a 2-parter with alot more of the suspense we saw in Power...

A decent explanation for the Spitfires in space segment wouldn't have gone astray either..
 
A decent explanation for the Spitfires in space segment wouldn't have gone astray either..

Bracewell designed them and the CGI team made it happen. Simple.

The episode was decidedly average. The new Dalek designs are not as good as the originals. There are certain design elements that need to be maintained and losing the shoulder slats is one of them. The coloured Daleks are a bit childish, and despite the booming voices (Emperor, anyone...?) don't really come off as that scary. It seems like they're trying to emulate the success of The Cult of Skaro, with individual Daleks that can become recurring villains, but I just don't see the appeal. Not to mention the fact that the original Daleks are tossed aside reminds me of the bad aftertaste I got when I watched Alien Resurrection and the Newborn.

We've already been back to the Blitz before with Eccleston, but this trip seemed rushed. There was no time for any characters to develop, no witty dialogue between the main cast and I have to say the tough and brooding Matt Smith is left in the dust by his immediate predecessors.

Plus anyone think the Dalek spaceship resembled an underground carpark meets industrial kitchen?
 
Last week's episode was light years better in terms of plot and theme. This week's episode just felt like a non-stop barrage of homages with a very rudimentary plot to stitch things together.

Power Dalek Rangers - That was the very first thing I thought of when the new Daleks were revealed.

Independence Day "Taking down the alien saucer with old planes" - I half expected the last plane to kamikaze into the saucer, just like the movie.

Raising the American Flag at Iwo Jima - The raising of the British flag felt a lot like the famous WW2 photograph. It even has the same number of soldiers raising the Union Jack.

As for the cracks, I am guessing that TARDIS is causing it.

Or Amy. I'm pretty sure we're going to find out that Amy is responsible for the crack in reality; more or less pulling that original crack from when she was a child like a zipper or a rip in a pair of pants as she travels with the doctor. As to why and how the 1st crack appeared: Paradox or another "Bad wolf"

You raised a good point. I forgot that the crack existed before the Doctor and his TARDIS crashed in Amy's garden. As she travels through time and space with the Doctor, she is unknowingly ripping a huge fissure in the fabric of the universe.
 
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