I always wondered how and when the Kelvans changed their shapes. And what inspiration they - particularly Kelinda and Drea - drew on exactly. 
50th Anniversary Rewatch Thread
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For those Disco fans missing Capt. Lorca's shady character, how about the new Captain they're picking up on Vulcan is Ron Tracey. Tracey lost his entire crew to a deadly disease that turns them into dehydrated crystals, apparently without too much remorse. His main concern being 'marooned' on Omega IV, after slaughtering thousands of Yangs, to save his own skin, was to capitalize on the supposed immortality serum. He was prepared to sell it, and make a lot of money, the Prime Directive be damned.
On the positive side, he was crafty, a good fighter, and pragmatic. Prior to his mental break down he may have made a fine Star Fleet Captain. Just don't expect a touching eulogy for the crew of the Exeter.
Discovery could use another morally ambiguous Commander to make things interesting for her crew. I wonder how Jon Hamm, from Mad Men would look with silver, or greying hair.
On the positive side, he was crafty, a good fighter, and pragmatic. Prior to his mental break down he may have made a fine Star Fleet Captain. Just don't expect a touching eulogy for the crew of the Exeter.
Discovery could use another morally ambiguous Commander to make things interesting for her crew. I wonder how Jon Hamm, from Mad Men would look with silver, or greying hair.
In real life, I think Kyle was in the red shirt because that's what he was wearing in previous episodes. The unexplained switch to gold was probably someone realizing that Kyle needed to be switched over to gold so he could match William Blackburn's spot at the helm when they used the stock footage of looking at the viewscreen from the captain's chair with Blackburn on the left and Walter Koenig on the right. They probably didn't have the time to go back and reshoot that shot (probably the first one shot with Kyle on the bridge) where he was wearing the red shirt.
The Omega Glory is an episode that gets a bad rap from a lot of people. I like it. One of the best Star Trek villains is Ron Tracy played by Morgan Woodward. He is deliciously evil. "Come with me or I'll burn your friends to the ground". I like Kirk's big speech at the end. I particularly like when he says that the holy words must be applied to everyone or it means nothing. It is not just for the kings, but it is for all the people. Good message. In 1968 when this episode was shown the United States seemed to be in turmoil with the Vietnam War and the assassination of the Kennedy's and Martin Luther King. Kirk looking at the American flag always gets me thinking about that. Some people find that hokey but I like it. One quibble I have with the episode is :Shouldn't Sulu and the security guys have to stay on the planet for a couple of hours? Wouldn't they take the disease back with them if they left right away?
Star Trek
"The Omega Glory"
Originally aired March 1, 1968
Stardate Unknown
What was going on the week the episode aired.
Yeah, if you can get past the American flag and U.S. Constitution shtick, this one is kind of a fun episode. We have an antagonist who's Kirk's equal or better in every way...especially in scenery chewing. The Shat makes up for lost time in the climax with one of his hammiest moments on the show.
I do notice that this one has some similarities to "Miri"...the crew stuck on the surface of a post-apocalyptic parallel Earth-type planet dealing with a mysterious disease.
Then there's that shot...a choice Google search term brought up as the first result a thread in this very forum that got locked 11 years ago.
Next week...I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that:
"The Omega Glory"
Originally aired March 1, 1968
Stardate Unknown
MeTV said:
What was going on the week the episode aired.
Yeah, if you can get past the American flag and U.S. Constitution shtick, this one is kind of a fun episode. We have an antagonist who's Kirk's equal or better in every way...especially in scenery chewing. The Shat makes up for lost time in the climax with one of his hammiest moments on the show.
I do notice that this one has some similarities to "Miri"...the crew stuck on the surface of a post-apocalyptic parallel Earth-type planet dealing with a mysterious disease.
Then there's that shot...a choice Google search term brought up as the first result a thread in this very forum that got locked 11 years ago.
FWIW, when the episode aired, MLK and Bobby Kennedy were still with us.
Next week...I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that:
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In James Blish's novel Kirk tells Sulu and the security guards to remain on the planet for the next four hours before the ship leaves orbit!
JB
It's a bit crap.
How 'bout we have a bunch of white people act as Native Americans but who are worshiping the US Government in all its glory? That seems totally appropriate. And who's gonna be the baddies then? Lets get some "Asiatics!"... There's an unfortunate amount of what can be described as "cultural insensitivity" here if you wanna go easy on it, or outright racism, if we're gonna call it what it is. It's very cringey to watch this at times, but that's not the only reason why I've always found this kind of crap.
Nothing here its terribly original, the two groups fighting each other that somehow parallel earth has been done to death by now, but the parallel here is just so very improbable it makes no sense.
The evil Starfleet captain is substituting for a standard discount Klingon stoking a conflict for personal gain. Morgan Woodward is acting crazy again. There's a break for fisticuffs every 5 minutes.
If it weren't for the casual racism and the "US Constitution is the Best.Thing.Ever!" jingoism I might be able to enjoy this on a so bad it's good level, but as it stands it's still in the so bad it's bad category for me. It's not boring, I'll give it that though.
Okay, I'm intrigued. What did I miss?
How 'bout we have a bunch of white people act as Native Americans but who are worshiping the US Government in all its glory? That seems totally appropriate. And who's gonna be the baddies then? Lets get some "Asiatics!"... There's an unfortunate amount of what can be described as "cultural insensitivity" here if you wanna go easy on it, or outright racism, if we're gonna call it what it is. It's very cringey to watch this at times, but that's not the only reason why I've always found this kind of crap.
Nothing here its terribly original, the two groups fighting each other that somehow parallel earth has been done to death by now, but the parallel here is just so very improbable it makes no sense.
The evil Starfleet captain is substituting for a standard discount Klingon stoking a conflict for personal gain. Morgan Woodward is acting crazy again. There's a break for fisticuffs every 5 minutes.
If it weren't for the casual racism and the "US Constitution is the Best.Thing.Ever!" jingoism I might be able to enjoy this on a so bad it's good level, but as it stands it's still in the so bad it's bad category for me. It's not boring, I'll give it that though.
Okay, I'm intrigued. What did I miss?
I did find it a bit unfortunate how Tracey kept emphasizing that the Yangs "look like us"...which could literally be taken to mean him and Kirk, but sort of carries an unfortunate implication of "We're all white in the future."
A historical note I'd forgotten to contribute...apparently it was in the original broadcast of this episode that NBC put in the unprecedented closing credits announcement that Star Trek was being renewed, and to stop sending letters!
I really don't think it would behoove me to be the one to get this going again. I just assumed it was well known in these parts. Let's just say that there's a wardrobe malfunction in one scene that got past everyone in 1968 and leave it at that.
A historical note I'd forgotten to contribute...apparently it was in the original broadcast of this episode that NBC put in the unprecedented closing credits announcement that Star Trek was being renewed, and to stop sending letters!
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On September 8th it will be exactly 50 years since Star Trek first aired, which I intend to use an as excuse to rewatch the series, and since everything is always more fun with other people I was wondering if there is any interest in a collective rewatch on these boards?
I propose the following rules:
one episode a week, in production orderyou can watch the episode anytime during the week, whenever you can, whichever format you prefer... netflix, dvds, blurays, VHSs... remastered, regular, anything goes...the discussion for that week's episode would star each Friday
In effect, we'd be starting with The Cage, the discussion for which would start on September 9th.
Then Where No Man Has Gone Before, the discussion starting September 16th and so forth...
Strike that, to make things simpler and more commemorative the rewatch will proceed in broadcast order, each episode on the 50th anniversary of the original US airdate.
So... is anyone else perhaps interested?
Episode index:
00. The Cage
01. The Man Trap
02. Charlie X
03. Where No Man Has Gone Before
04. The Naked Time
05. The Enemy Within
06. Mudd's Women
07. What Are Little Girls Made Of?
08. Miri
09. Dagger of the Mind
10. The Corbomite Maneuver
11. The Menagerie, Part 1
12. The Menagerie, Part 2
13. The Conscience of the King
14. Balance of Terror
15. Shore Leave
16. The Galileo Seven
17. The Squire of Gothos
18. Arena
19. Tomorrow is Yesterday
20. Court Martial
21. The Return of the Archons
22. Space Seed
23. A Taste of Armageddon
24. This Side of Paradise
25. The Devil in the Dark
26. Errand of Mercy
27. The Alternative Factor
28. The City on the Edge of Forever
29. Operation -- Annihilate!
30. Amok Time
31. Who Mourns for Adonais?
32. The Changeling
33. Mirror, Mirror
34. The Apple
35. The Doomsday Machine
36. Catspaw
37. I, Mudd
38. Metamorphosis
39. Journey to Babel
40. Friday's Child
41. The Deadly Years
42. Obsession
43. Wolf in the Fold
44. The Trouble with Tribbles
45. The Gamesters of Triskelion
46. A Piece of the Action
47. The Immunity Syndrome
48. A Private Little War
49. Return to Tomorrow
50. Patterns of Force
51. By Any Other Name
52. The Omega Glory
53. The Ultimate Computer
54. Bread and Circuses
55. Assignment: Earth
What happened to season 3???? It has some of the best episodes of the series.
We haven't gotten there yet.
A quick search on Amazon indicates that it is. If you get H&I, they play three episodes a week on Saturday and Sunday mornings.
Starts this September.
Had to google it, did not know that.
So there's a vagina in it... this means the episode truly embodies Gene's Vision then.
Starts this September.
Had to google it, did not know that.
So there's a vagina in it... this means the episode truly embodies Gene's Vision then.
Still have never seen this.
Morgan Woodward excels at nutty guys or hadn't you noticed? His Simon Van Gelder turned out to be a good guy abused by the neural neutralizer on Tantalus but Ron Tracey is a guy out for himself when he finds out that he can be immortal on planet Omega IV! Or so he thinks, but he could be suffering from mental damage after his entire crew perished on his ship, The USS Exeter!
JB
Yes, I am aware that MLK died in April and Robert Kennedy died in June of 1968. Still, the war was going on and riots were happening. The mood of the country seemed to be on edge since JFK was assassinated in 1963.
So at the end, Tracey and Kirk are trying to convince the Yang chief to believe them. But hasn't Tracey personally burned down hundreds of Yang warriors? Why would the Chief spend one second listening to anything he had to say? I know the Chief and Kirk aren't the best of friends, but they did seem to come to some small understanding in the jail cell. Real world answer: we need some reason for Kirk and Tracey to have to fight again for the climax!
BTW, getting hit in the head with a steel bar likely leads to death, not sleeping it off for 7 hours.
BTW, getting hit in the head with a steel bar likely leads to death, not sleeping it off for 7 hours.
Yeh I wonder that myself. Perhaps the chief admires Tracey just a bit for his savagery. He's not all that smart.
I have a different take on the episode. At the time it was filmed and even when I saw it for the first time China was our enemy getting ready to take over the world etc, at least my part of the world in the domino effect.
So I find it refreshing that the Kohms are the civilised ones and that the Yangs are the savages.
Even when its sort of switched around at the end, Kirks speech does say that everyone has got to live together in harmony . That the Kohms have a right to live too. It would have been interesting to have actual American Indians amongst the Yangs expelling the invaders.
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