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5 Minutes of Premiere up on YouTube

I just caught it to hear Joel's score. Thoughts about the series from the video: reaks heavily of "Firefly". I love "Firefly", but I think a other shows should have their style. Even the ship firing at the beginning was like a FF space fight scene with that camera style.
 
Well, it's lovely to see that they've made the point of origin thing even more screwed up and insane than it was before. We could've just ignored the fact that all the prop gates had the pyramid glyph on them, but noooo. It's just that every stargate has a useless glyph on it, and can't dial 1/38th of possible addresses because one of the directional glyphs doubles as the origin symbol. It doesn't even make sense from that perspective, though, since sun-over-a-pyramid isn't the symbol for Earth. It's the symbol for whatever shithole planet Ra stole his stargate from. The symbol for Earth, as far as the ancients were concerned, is the sun-over-the-ocean glyph.

Luckily, they're going to the crazy dots stargates, so they'll never be able to break my gate porn again.
 
^While I agree that the ships weren't the problem, I'm actually the exact opposite on the other issue. I thought they were really hitting their stride again, especially the last season, and I felt that they needed a couple more seasons to really develop and flesh out the Ori arc.
I think the Ori arc could have been good, but as a separate spin off show. By that point in time the show had changed enough that it really didn't feel like SG-1 anymore. It came across as artificially attempting to lengthen the show. Had it been a different series it probably would have been more palatable to me
 
Well, it's lovely to see that they've made the point of origin thing even more screwed up and insane than it was before. We could've just ignored the fact that all the prop gates had the pyramid glyph on them, but noooo. It's just that every stargate has a useless glyph on it, and can't dial 1/38th of possible addresses because one of the directional glyphs doubles as the origin symbol. It doesn't even make sense from that perspective, though, since sun-over-a-pyramid isn't the symbol for Earth. It's the symbol for whatever shithole planet Ra stole his stargate from. The symbol for Earth, as far as the ancients were concerned, is the sun-over-the-ocean glyph.

Luckily, they're going to the crazy dots stargates, so they'll never be able to break my gate porn again.

Dude, chill out. It's not that hard to whip up an explanation for, is it? All the gates have, in their firmware, an override command. If a gate recives the proper nine-chevron address, with Earth as the POO, and enough power is available, it automatically dials the Destinty. Problem solved.

You'll note that in the clip, they have the DHD hooked up to a dialing computer. It comes to reason that it is impossible to dial another gate while pretending to be dialing from a POO that is different from your actual POO. Let's say you try. I'm dialing Earth from Abydos, but I enter Chulak's POO. What happens? DHD shuts down, because I entered a BS address. If McKay had one of his little Ancient interface tablets hooked up to the DHD, it would probably read out "STFU HEWMON WRONG PLANET BIATCH!", all in Ancient script and stuff.

But that's where our handy-dandy dialing computer comes in. We can use it to override the built-in safety mechanisms in the DHD, just like when we established a lock on that planet whose sun we messed up by wormholing right through it. It's just like the anti-malware toolbar in your browser. It's all, dude, there's viruses and dragons thar, don't go! And you're all, cancel, I wanna go! And then you go and bad things happen.

So, we just use the dialing computer to spoof the POO. Just like a scammer website can pretend to be ebay.com, when it's actually nigerianprincewantsyomonies.com. Except, since the creators of the Destiny made the firmware expect a nine-chevron address with Earth as the POO, the gate doesn't care, it just dials the Destiny and sends you on your merry way.

All solved. :techman:
 
^While I agree that the ships weren't the problem, I'm actually the exact opposite on the other issue. I thought they were really hitting their stride again, especially the last season, and I felt that they needed a couple more seasons to really develop and flesh out the Ori arc.
I think the Ori arc could have been good, but as a separate spin off show. By that point in time the show had changed enough that it really didn't feel like SG-1 anymore. It came across as artificially attempting to lengthen the show. Had it been a different series it probably would have been more palatable to me

That was what it was planned for. Sci-fi Channel wanted it to be "The longest running show eva!!!!" type of deal. I just pretend it's a spinoff, and I still think it's bad. :lol:
 
http://www.mediapundit.net/2009/09/stargate-universe-is-a-promising-show-worth-seeing.html

I'll have a lot more to say about Stargate Universe in the coming days now that I've seen the first three episodes, but before I spend a great deal of time putting everything into focus -- honestly I'd like to sit down and watch the entire thing again before I write my story -- I'd like to share a couple of immediate thoughts on what I remember, what my first impression was.

People who will not like this show are people who do not like this style of show. It almost doesn't matter what your personal relationship is to Stargate in general, it's not the Stargate factor that will put you off or suck you in forever, it's that this is not a family action show pretending to be science fiction like its predecessors were.

Stargate Atlantis tended to try to cram a lot of action into a small amount of time, and sometimes that breakneck pacing would hurt the show, making it feel very rushed. The series finale exemplified this problem, where a it felt like the writers crammed two hours worth of story into a single hour.


That is not happening with SGU. If anything, the first three episodes are a little too slow, but that's fine -- if you can enjoy a show that takes its time. Something to keep in mind is that the first three episodes are a single story, and will not be representative of the pacing of everything that comes after, not by a long shot. And that's not even addressing the comedy moments we've all come to love and expect from Stargate.

Forget it, they are gone. This is a real drama now, if you don't like real dramas, that's what's going to seal it for you.

And if one can imagine a formula where none exists, then SGU's formula is wildly distinct from SGA in other areas. There isn't a real big or immediate focus on existential problems like malfunctioning technology so much as is a focus on how people deal with problems under stress, in less than ideal circumstances, set in the Stargate Universe. Once you see the premier, you may disagree, but consider where the focus is the whole time. Is it on the ship, or is the ship just a catalyst for interactions amongst the people?

Do not expect repeated scenarios where the the military lead character leans on the cliched genius scientist while everyone else throws in words of encouragement until a brilliant solution is discovered to save the day at the last minute. Don't get me wrong, that worked great for a lot of years and lead to some really entertaining times, but there's a place and a time for that, and it ain't here.

Reality never works out that way and if episodes one through three are any indication, for the most part, neither will Stargate Universe. Believe me when I tell you that the trailer soundbites, "these are the wrong people, in the wrong place" were not a joke.

And just because those things are gone doesn't mean that this is less of a show. There are other ways of telling stories that bring other positives to forefront.

In the SGA/SG-1 world, you've got enjoyable but mostly unrealistic character relationships. Everybody is friends, nobody acts like an asshole, nobody cowers from something without finding undiscovered courage for a small amount of redemption at the last second, and you generally don't have people looking out only for themselves that are inside the main cast. It wasn't uncommon to see guest characters portrayed as less than savory people in SG-1, but that kind of realism -- everyone is flawed in some way -- has been brought closer to home in ways that make McKay's arrogance like downright positive by comparison.

That's fine, that's what you've come to expect from SG-1 and SGA and it makes for a remarkably upbeat environment.

Stargate Universe is a lot of things, but upbeat is not one of them.

Think of your typical medical drama, and then think of House. Characters with flaws is what real drama is all about, and this show is full of people with flaws.

In a way, it's very refreshing. And looking back, at least for this brief moment, whatever comparisons might be had between Ron Moore's BSG, and SGU, the only fair analogy is in visual styles. The CGI sequences have a familiar BSG feel (BSG did not invent that style, by the way), but otherwise SGU doesn't take drama to such an extreme that you're watching a soap opera in space, and it's certainly not 90210 in space, either.

I think anybody expecting a Galactica clone will be surprised.
 
Talk is cheap until they deliver. I still don't believe that SGU will be radically different than SG1 or SGA. (for good and bad)

But this clip was promising.
 
^Atlantis, Unending, and The Ark of Truth also established that the earth ships are pretty well hosed when ambushed.


Well, in Unending and The Ark of Truth, those were Ori warships they were up against, which are basically the most powerful starships in the Stargate universe. Besides, in the case of The Ark of Truth, the crew had their attention split between the ships attacking them and the Replicators that were on board. And in Atlantis, most of the time they were attacking Wraith, and we are supposed to believe the Wraith were a threat to the Ancients. Plus there was that ZPM-enhanced hive ship also.

My point is, Goa'uld motherships are among the weakest starships in Stargate. Hell, I think the only things they can destroy are other motherships. For Earth's state of the art Asgard enhanced starships to be pwned by something a puddle jumper took out in two shots in ridiculous.
 
Certainly looks different...somewhat. I can see where the suspicions of the others about Rush's motives and "agenda" might come from.
 
Very interesting. It's certainly a different look for a Stargate show. But it's hard to judge on just a short clip like this. I'll reserve judgement until I see the whole thing.

Thanks for the link. :techman:

Sean
 
And in Atlantis, most of the time they were attacking Wraith, and we are supposed to believe the Wraith were a threat to the Ancients.
Not necessarily... in one of the episodes (the pilot, maybe?), they establish that the Ancients were defeated, not because the Wraith were more powerful, but because the Wraith outnumbered them so much. And an ambush was shown to be effective at least once during the series (Last Man).
 
And in Atlantis, most of the time they were attacking Wraith, and we are supposed to believe the Wraith were a threat to the Ancients.
Not necessarily... in one of the episodes (the pilot, maybe?), they establish that the Ancients were defeated, not because the Wraith were more powerful, but because the Wraith outnumbered them so much. And an ambush was shown to be effective at least once during the series (Last Man).

I'm pretty sure that way brought up in several episodes.
 
How can Sam be in the premiere?

I thought the pilots of any spin off were strictly bound to just Jack and Daniel being in them? Movie rights and all.

After that it's okay to show Teal'c and Carter
 
Certainly looks different...somewhat. I can see where the suspicions of the others about Rush's motives and "agenda" might come from.

No doubt. He kinda screwed them all over...what if it had been a space gate on the other side?

I'll be interested to find out why Icarus seems to be the only place they could dial the 9th Chevron from. I mean if it could be from anywhere I'd assume Rush would have no problem just going back to Earth.

That whole 'explosive energy will make it through the gate and trash the SGC/Earth' seems like bullshit considering stuff that has happened in other episodes...but maybe that's true to the character of Rush.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
 
How can Sam be in the premiere?

I thought the pilots of any spin off were strictly bound to just Jack and Daniel being in them? Movie rights and all.

After that it's okay to show Teal'c and Carter

What if they class it as a spin-off of SG1?
 
How can Sam be in the premiere?

I thought the pilots of any spin off were strictly bound to just Jack and Daniel being in them? Movie rights and all.

After that it's okay to show Teal'c and Carter

I seem to remember that with Rising they weren't allowed to use characters introduced in Children of the Gods, which is why we didn't see Carter, Teal'c or even Walter there. However, they could use Jack and Daniel since they were introduced in the movie and Siler given he was introduced later on in SG-1's first season. However, that rule didn't apply for episodes after the pilot, which allowed Carter, Teal'c, Walter and even Hammond to make appearances in Atlantis.

But as for Carter being in this pilot, that is odd. I seem to remember reading somewhere (possibly Gateworld) that the same rule was still in effect. Though, clearly not.
 
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