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[Galaxy]

Guess they didn't read the NX 01's logs.

To be fair to them even the 24th century supercomputers forgot about the NX-01. Only after Riker found the Holoprogram - while searching for a copy of Vulcan Love Slave - were they rediscovered.

 

[thribs]

Going to Talos IV would have been more exciting if this was during the Berman era since you know that team would be more accurate to that of the Cage; with similar looking sets, props etc. This is fine but you know it will be radically different.

 

[saddestmoon]

I dunno... I'm actually quite excited about the visit to Talos VI! But YMMV...

 

[Hythlodeus]

So Spock knew time travel was possible and prevented a future catastrophe a decade before "The Naked Time"

A new Spock facing new challenges? Awesome. Nimoy Spock continuity getting ruined again and again? Nope.

In Naked Time they found a very easy way to time travel with the slingshot maneuvre, which was competely new and could be done again and again. (and, in fact, was done again a couple of decades later to save some whales) That's very different to time travel as presented in DSC that needed the involvement of Red Angels and Tachyon particles and space anomalia

 

[DaveyNY]

"The Vulcan Science Directorate has (still) determined that time travel is impossible."

 

[Hythlodeus]

"The Vulcan Science Directorate has (still) determined that time travel is impossible."

because one would need the right space anomaly at the right time with the right amount of tachyon particles and the involvement of a Red Angel and we know how rare they are nowadays....

 

[Cox of Seagulls]

Almost certainly just a coincidence, but the probes/ships seen attacking Earth look more like the repair station from Dead Stop than anything else imo.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Are we sure it is Earth, though? Sure, the continents match, but Star Trek has a history of identical twin planets. Miri's planet comes to mind and IIRC the planet from Paradise Syndrom

 

[DaveyNY]

Almost certainly just a coincidence, but the probes/ships seen attacking Earth look more like the repair station from Dead Stop than anything else imo.

While that does have some similarities, this is much closer to the design ethic that we are seeing...

But really, this design is even closer....

So it must be the Russians!

 

[erastus25]

Going to Talos IV would have been more exciting if this was during the Berman era since you know that team would be more accurate to that of the Cage; with similar looking sets, props etc. This is fine but you know it will be radically different.

I'm with you. They're basically leaning on 50-year old storylines to artificially create tension/expectation rather than develop new plots. But ultimately that undermines the intent b/c half the viewers are focused on "whoa, we saw the Talosians in the Cage! How will this story fit in?!" rather than on your new drama.

 

[Tuskin38]

So Spock knew time travel was possible and prevented a future catastrophe a decade before "The Naked Time"

Knowing it’s possible =/= knowing how to do it

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm with you. They're basically leaning on 50-year old storylines to artificially create tension/expectation rather than develop new plots. But ultimately that undermines the intent b/c half the viewers are focused on "whoa, we saw the Talosians in the Cage! How will this story fit in?!" rather than on your new drama.

I kinda-sorta think that "whoa, we saw the Talosians in the Cage! How will this story fit in?!" IS the expectation of a new plot the writers are looking to lead us to.
Why does it have to be more complicated than that?

 

[Galaxy]

Going to Talos IV would have been more exciting if this was during the Berman era since you know that team would be more accurate to that of the Cage; with similar looking sets, props etc. This is fine but you know it will be radically different.

Berman Trek also changed things, the Romulans for example. Actually one could argue that the Romulans were one of the most dramatic changes in the history of Star Trek, since the whole point of Balance of Terror was that the Romulans were Vulcans, they just had a different philosophy, they left before the Vulcan renaissance. TNG turned them into a different evolutionary branch,

 

[The Wormhole]

Are we sure it is Earth, though? Sure, the continents match, but Star Trek has a history of identical twin planets. Miri's planet comes to mind and IIRC the planet from Paradise Syndrom

Somehow, I doubt Spock is driven to insanity because he saw a vision of the destruction of Miri's planet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, Star Trek continuity has been a mess since 2001.

1966

 

[Nerys Myk]

To be fair to them even the 24th century supercomputers forgot about the NX-01. Only after Riker found the Holoprogram - while searching for a copy of Vulcan Love Slave - were they rediscovered.

After that and the omission of the smooth head Klingons and all those androids Kirk met, the Starfleet data entry team was sacked.

 

[DaveyNY]

After that and the omission of the smooth head Klingons and all those androids Kirk met, the Starfleet data entry team was sacked.

I think the sensual computer-interface-personality that was installed at Cygnet XIV, was so pizzed off at Kirk for ignoring her advances that SHE purposely fudged her recordings.
So much so that many of the facts from the ships logs were completely jumbled and it took decades for Star Fleet Data Control at Memory Alpha to actually straighten it all out.

 

[Rahul]

I have mixed feelings about revisiting the Temporal Cold War.

On one hand, just because ENT fucked it sidways with rebar doesn't mean DIS couldn't fix it. I mean, if "bad ideas must be dropped" was always done, DS9 wouldn't have done anything with the Ferengi.

On the other hand, the whole idea of different factions somehow traveling through time and altering the past yet not erasing themselves from existence in the process is absolutely nonsensical. Probably the worst use of time travel in the entire franchise.

I have to say - despite not liking what was shown about the Temporal Cold War - I really have no problem with the concept, and in fact wish it would return in some way.

Because lat's face it - in a universe where Time Travel is possible (and in Star Trek, it is), there WILL be conflicts as a result of different fractions using it. There is a hell of a lot potential in there - a universe where time travel is possible, there must also be people watching the time-line for interference, from points where they aren't affected, and "fix" it (hell, Voyagers "Year of Hell" and "Relativity" are prime examples). And it's very easy to see conflicts rising - what about alterations to the past that don't affect any third parties, but improve your own species? Are they allowed or not? What about temporal anomalies and paradoxes?

And lastly - it's a time travel war. It should take place through all different time-frames, it's actually logical for it to appear in the ENT-era, the DIS and the post-NEM one!

Really, the one thing that ent did right, was not to delve too deep into it. So that whoever decided to continue to work on this concept, can pretty much do whatever he wants, introduce his complete own bonkers ideas and concepts, and it's not going to contradict anything on ENT.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I think the Temporal Cold War is time-locked. A moment, frozen in time, or else it would spread throughout all history and future, erasing time itself, even the fixed points.
I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.
Or maybe I might have mixed up my sci fi franchises. Who knows. Who... knows.

 

[thribs]

In the novels they say that there was no front during the time of the Federation as they all thought it would be too dangerous to tamper during that time. That was only because of Star Trek Destiny though.