Why are the VFX artists so lazy as to re-use 2239 era Discovery Shuttles in 3188?
I tend to agree with Commander Cockins on this one, they must be trolling us.
2239 Discovery Shuttles used in 3188?!?!?! - Trekyards Analysis
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Why are the VFX artists so lazy as to re-use 2239 era Discovery Shuttles in 3188?
I tend to agree with Commander Cockins on this one, they must be trolling us.
Us Ship folks like to get the details correct if possible.
Each Era has it's own set of Ships & Shuttles.
Star Wars manages to pull off pretty good internal consistency about this basic thing.
Why can't Star Trek?
Because paying attention to details and pulling things apart is necessary for all Trek productions.
Pretty sure people just want to be mad at Star Trek all the time now.
Except TNG which borrowed heavily from the TOS movies and kitbashed a lot.
Because Star Wars is pretty much a simple story that loves its ship candy. Star Trek is a human story with ships as the backdrop, not the central focus.
If you're going to make a Trek Show, ALL the details will get dissected, no show is spared for fear of hurt feelings.
When ST:ENT wanted to shove a K'Tinga into it's show; it rightfully got flack for that.
Same with calling the NX-01 the Akira-prise.
MANY of us fans loves the ship candy just as much, if not more than the human story.
For us, it's THE central focus.
We treat the ships as equal to a main character as any Flesh & Blood human portraying a character.
Like Gene's way of looking at things, the Hero Ship should be just as much a character as the cast and love & detail should be paid to the setup of the vessel along with all the details in the Universe around the ship.
Star Wars reused a lot of ships for that "Resistance Fleet" in Rise of Skywalker. There were prequel ships like Naboo starfighters, Clone Wars ships, the Ghost from Rebels, Din Djarin's ship from the Mandalorian, the Hammerhead frigates from Rogue One (which were derived from Hammerhead frigates from The Knights of the Old Republic games.) The Resistance used starfighters from the Original Trilogy, slightly modified but mostly the same, only the X-wing seemed the most different. CGI from The Clone Wars was used in Star Wars Rebels, most prominently the Gozanti cruiser, the Arquitens, and the Kom'rk class Fighter. Star Wars has no problem reusing stuff, but they don't have hundreds of hours of footage like Star Trek does where this stuff becomes noticeable. As Disney continues to produce more shows and movies, I'm sure it will become more noticeable.
Plenty of people criticized and analyzed all the ships in the final battle as well.
We fans are a detail minded, minutae loving bunch.
Doesn't matter if it's Star Wars or Star Trek.
Analysis with a Fine Tooth Comb & Field Microscope will be had.
Oh please. The vast majority of ships seen in TNG were recycled from the TOS movies, many of which showed up on DS9 and Voyager too, A whole lot of Alpha Quadrant designs were in use in the Delta Quadrant and likewise several Delta Quadrant ships were in use in the Alpha Quadrant in the 22nd century. And let's not even get started on that silly triangle ship that was seen everywhere, TNG, DS9 (even in the opening credits), Voyager, Enterprise, and even made a brief appearance recently on Lower Decks. These Disco shuttles have already been featured quite heavily on Picard.
Recycling ships has been going on on Star Trek ever since TOS. It's reality of television production necessitated by the fact that creating new ships costs money, even in this day and age of CGI. This is nothing new, and unless the constant reuse of the triangle ship, the Merchantman, the Nenebek, generic space freighter, Akritiri fighter or whatever in the other shows bothered you, then this shouldn't either.
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No kidding.
I've seen that quite a bit. I find it very strange and weird and don't understand it at all.
To my mind, that's the stupidest point of view. That's like saying that the house on Full House was a character.
Also, the ship in question was a background ship so it doesn't even fall under the "main ship" descriptor. Again, it comes across as dissection, unloving, uncompassionate, disinterested in anything good and searching for the bad.
Maybe I'm missing something but I'm not going to hold back for fear of "hurt feelings" because this dissection is starting to become rather clinical.
Exactly this.
Yup
So, I was on the road driving one day, and then I saw someone driving an antique car from the 1930s. Canon Violation in Real Life! Oh no! "What's someone doing driving a car from almost 100 years ago?!" 
Didn't Book say some people are really into antiques? So there you go.
Didn't Book say some people are really into antiques? So there you go.
As they point out, they do have other shuttles there. And many many pieces of debris and building structures etc. And then they ran out of money or time to put another already existing new shuttle there?
Pointing out avoidable mistakes = being mad?
The difference between 90 years and 930 years is kinda obvious
Which of those were the exact same, unaltered model?
Was Full House about the voyages of the house? What is so stupid about caring about the starships the shows are based on?
All of them
^this.. It's a huge difference with 900+ years. I can understand pulling a ship out if mothballs, or no money so use old models.
A disco shuttle that is 3 pixels big, eh..
A Hiawatha class crashing after the class went poof 850 years ago? Ah.. No.
A disco shuttle that is 3 pixels big, eh..
A Hiawatha class crashing after the class went poof 850 years ago? Ah.. No.
There's a difference between caring about them and treating them as characters. I care about my car but it ain't a character.
I must have missed the happy nitpickers.Pointing out avoidable mistakes = being mad?
the Trekyards duo have had it in for Discovery since before the first season
Nope:
"The first thing to annotate is that no stock footage of the Merchantman was used in any episode. The miniature was more or less modified each time for new shots."
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/merchantman.htm
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/nenebek.htm
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/husnock.htm
Could be worse. Leading up the 2009 Film, you had posters viciously ripping apart the film, defenders of the film hitting back with equal if not more force. Then people making observations who were confused with viciously attacking. People who have registered here in the past few years don't know what ugly is when it comes to this board.Pointing out avoidable mistakes = being mad?
It's the reason I stepped down from being a mod and barely posted for 10 years until Discovery came along and got me sucked back into this place.
Yeah, what the Hell? I was free! There was actually life after TrekBBS! And then I ended up right back here!
IIRC, you're one of those people who wouldn't care if Spock suddenly had 3 points on his purple ears, so it makes sense for you to not care about such details. If only the story itself matters to you, that's perfectly fine. But there are people who do care about the tech, the ships, the props, the costumes, the alien makeup, etc., and most of them are probably not stupid.There's a difference between caring about them and treating them as characters. I care about my car but it ain't a character.
I must have missed the happy nitpickers.
Nitpicking can be fun - maybe not for you, but for others - how do you tell if someone is happy or not from a forum text or a youtube video where nobody's shouting?
It would be great if people could stop attacking other fans for simply pointing out facts and caring about other aspects of the shows than the attackers.
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