Timo said:
Thy will has been done...
My counterargument goes like this: I don't like artificial gravity.
21st century frozen people and Data's "television" comment?
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Thy will has been done...
My counterargument goes like this: I don't like artificial gravity.
...And magnetic glass!
(And magnetic phasers, in case Kirk happens to drop one the next time he visits a cryoship, too.)
I like gravitics. With that particular field of physics, one can probably compensate for all the other fields of physics where Trek leaves its usual crop circles. Gravity ramped up millionfold to keep people walking upright in a spacecraft should have interesting alternate applications. Warping space, for example. Or propelling you across space without propellant. Or making anything from antimatter explosions to laser beams bounce from your hull. It seems so cheap and reliable that I wouldn't wonder if it is also what has replaced pockets and zippers in future clothing.
Timo Saloniemi
(And magnetic phasers, in case Kirk happens to drop one the next time he visits a cryoship, too.)
I like gravitics. With that particular field of physics, one can probably compensate for all the other fields of physics where Trek leaves its usual crop circles. Gravity ramped up millionfold to keep people walking upright in a spacecraft should have interesting alternate applications. Warping space, for example. Or propelling you across space without propellant. Or making anything from antimatter explosions to laser beams bounce from your hull. It seems so cheap and reliable that I wouldn't wonder if it is also what has replaced pockets and zippers in future clothing.
Timo Saloniemi
Why? If gravity can be manipulated at will (not merely created, like point mass would "create" gravity, but also directed and reversed), the ship could "bootstrap" itself by having the stern pull itself towards the bow but the bow repel itself from the stern. Laws of action and reaction would become meaningless when one could add arbitrarily directed forces out of thin air, merely by pumping energy into a gadget...
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
1988 - CRT SD TVs, analogue broadcasts through terrestrial networks, picked up by antennae on roofs.
2009 - LCD and Plasma screens, picking up digital broadcasts from satellite and cable, terrestrial broadcasts are the lesser cousin. Video on demand a practicality, Internet streaming becoming more prevalent as broadband speeds increase, PVRs have killed television as a scheduled, social experience.
Technologically, television as the cryonauts knew it, is already dead.
1988, entertainment on a limited number of channels consisited of drama, comedy, sports, movies...
2009 - wall to wall reality TV causes people to buy DVDs instead. Channels go to shit because they lose advertising budgets.
Data was a little generous with that 2040 date.
2009 - LCD and Plasma screens, picking up digital broadcasts from satellite and cable, terrestrial broadcasts are the lesser cousin. Video on demand a practicality, Internet streaming becoming more prevalent as broadband speeds increase, PVRs have killed television as a scheduled, social experience.
Technologically, television as the cryonauts knew it, is already dead.
1988, entertainment on a limited number of channels consisited of drama, comedy, sports, movies...
2009 - wall to wall reality TV causes people to buy DVDs instead. Channels go to shit because they lose advertising budgets.
Data was a little generous with that 2040 date.
I shoulda said I meant artificial gravity being developed in the 1990s.
They do have magnetic boots in the future, though. And did we ever see Khan stand up on the Botany Bay? Or Offenhouse on the SS Popsicle?
I dunno. Been a while since I watched SS.
If true, we have 30 years to prepare. By 2040, poof! -- R
I'm not sure just how fast it was rotating, but in the FX shots of it, you can tell that is it indeed rotating.
It was rotating, but seemingly not nearly enough to generate any appreciable ammount of gravity/force.
Things like gravity is just something we have to accept is there for the sake of a TV budget.
As for TV, it's likely that it didn't die so much as it just morphed into something else. Story telling of somesort still has to exsist in the 24c, there's even an episode where we Riker enjoying a table-top hologram, as, come-on, people have to fill their day with doing something.
I find it a stretch to believe that people in the 24c spend their days after work lounging around dim rooms reading and listening to music available through the PD.
Things like gravity is just something we have to accept is there for the sake of a TV budget.
As for TV, it's likely that it didn't die so much as it just morphed into something else. Story telling of somesort still has to exsist in the 24c, there's even an episode where we Riker enjoying a table-top hologram, as, come-on, people have to fill their day with doing something.
I find it a stretch to believe that people in the 24c spend their days after work lounging around dim rooms reading and listening to music available through the PD.
They do have magnetic boots in the future, though. And did we ever see Khan stand up on the Botany Bay? Or Offenhouse on the SS Popsicle?
Khan's entire posse did aerobics on the BB corridors after Khan woke them up, for starters. Although we could argue that they, too, had magnetic boots. But their hair also apparently had magnetic tips, then, as it definitely behaved as if in 1 gee... The falling shards of glass were already mentioned, as was Kirk's falling phaser.
On the Birdseye, condensation flows down when Data breaches the cryosection door. The corpsicles have their hair down, too. Apart from that, we could argue magnetic boots, I guess.
Interesting, though, how the satellite contains that one empty chamber. What's the story there? Why wasn't it loaded to capacity before it was launched? Or should we consider this proof that it wasn't launched, but was hijacked in the middle of routine near-Earth operations somehow?
Or was somebody not quite dead when buried there...?
I gather the interior we saw was only one of the many cryomodules in the satellite - perhaps the topmost one, marked "04" - and Data and Worf cursorily surveyed the others as well but only found the three preserved corpses, at least two of which happened to be in 04. Given the time constraints, I'd assume we saw the entire interior of 04 represented by that set - if the sat were any bigger than that, Data's survey would have made no sense.
On the actual topic, I like to think that TV is defined as a broadcast medium. No other form of visual communication or entertainment coming out of your screen is "real" television, merely an application using the same hardware - and "real" television thus is a dying medium even in the real world, let alone in the Trek one.
Timo Saloniemi
All right, I concede the point.
(Is it still conceding if I just say severe VFX errors all around?)
I think I recall that empty one. I think the first time I saw it I was under the impression Worf was about to get beaten up again.
(Is it still conceding if I just say severe VFX errors all around?
)I think I recall that empty one. I think the first time I saw it I was under the impression Worf was about to get beaten up again.
I think they were referring to the form of entertainment more than the actual technology medium.
As if to say that it was such a primitive form of entertainment - to sit and watch something happen.
The early T.N.G episodes, had quite a few comments about what was 'wrong' with 21 century humans, or the things they/we did.
However, they were right in some ways...
Sometimes it went a little too extreme- remember the 'skirts' the men wore in the first season, as if to say "now in the future, men and women dress nearly alike".
And that was dropped quickly, lol. They also abandoned the colorful cube foods we saw in T.O.S.
In the recent trek movie, Kirk was driving a car as kid-in the T.O.S, he didn't even know how to operate one because they were obsolete..
What did trek abandoned as an 'advanced' form of doing things, does anyone recall?
By the time we get to Voyager, what do you see? Paris watching movies, then Television!
As if to say that it was such a primitive form of entertainment - to sit and watch something happen.
The early T.N.G episodes, had quite a few comments about what was 'wrong' with 21 century humans, or the things they/we did.
However, they were right in some ways...
Sometimes it went a little too extreme- remember the 'skirts' the men wore in the first season, as if to say "now in the future, men and women dress nearly alike".
And that was dropped quickly, lol. They also abandoned the colorful cube foods we saw in T.O.S.
In the recent trek movie, Kirk was driving a car as kid-in the T.O.S, he didn't even know how to operate one because they were obsolete..
What did trek abandoned as an 'advanced' form of doing things, does anyone recall?
By the time we get to Voyager, what do you see? Paris watching movies, then Television!
