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2021 Emmy Nominations

I just fucking hope they don't use fuck anymore. I fucking hate it when people use such fucking lowbrow language on tv. Shit if I fucking want to see this fucking stuff I would watch regular fucking shows. I am to goddam sophisticated to to let my fucking ears be dirtied with this fucking kind of shit. I know everyone fucking agrees. This shit can not be excused any fucking more. Am I goddam right or not?
 
I just fucking hope they don't use fuck anymore. I fucking hate it when people use such fucking lowbrow language on tv. Shit if I fucking want to see this fucking stuff I would watch regular fucking shows. I am to goddam sophisticated to to let my fucking ears be dirtied with this fucking kind of shit. I know everyone fucking agrees. This shit can not be excused any fucking more. Am I goddam right or not?

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Of course I don't have any evidence, how could I? It's just basic common sense.

"Common sense" huh.

In this case, they did one thing, in the first few episodes, in a manner that practically shone a spotlight on it as it happened, and then NEVER did that thing again (correct me if I'm wrong,

Y'know, I honestly just can't remember if they used the word fuck in particular after that first time in DIS because it just doesn't register with me. It's just a word and once that first time was over, I didn't find it important enough to remember if they used it again. I know they used shit in S3.

The only thing missing from their childish execution was to have someone gasp or drop a glass.

The use of fuck in DIS S1 was not framed as some sort of shocking crossing of boundaries. It was framed as Stamets connecting to Tilly as a human being for the first time. That framing would not lend itself to a gasp or a dropping of glasses -- and it's also not a childish framing. It's just two people connecting.
 
You're being very naive if you think that one and only F bomb in the entire season (series?), early on, wasn't done for the sole purpose of generating headlines, which as the above (1 page of many) search result proves, it did. It was a childish headline grabber, nothing more. At least ST: Picard has the sense to use it in more than one scene so as to make it slightly more natural.
Generating headlines was probably one of the reasons for doing it (successfully so, apparently), but it wasn't likely to be the only one. And you say that as if generating headlines is some kind of undesirable thing and not exactly what a new show should want for promotional purposes.

I would imagine that another reason for saying "This is so fucking cool!" is to establish that this is a show on a streaming network with loosened boundaries rather than a conventional TV network. Discovery was a big part of establishing the new CBS All Access brand and showing that the network was planning on showing more adult-oriented fare (at least, content-wise, if not always story-wise) like shows on basic cable channels like AMC and so forth.

Also, it perfectly encapsulates Tilly's personality and boundless enthusiasm, and is probably what an actual adult would say when given the chance to do something fun and amazing.

To call it childish because they did it once (and that certainly was not the only time they cursed) but give Picard a pass because they did it multiple times is silly and arbitrary. It's a perfectly normal, adult thing to say, and the timing was well-done and hilarious.

Besides, it's hardly as if Trek is new to uttering profanities of varying degrees (based on the social mores of the day); it's done that since day one. So is it a headline grabbing oddity or simply following on Trek tradition?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromIn...rsing_has_always_been_a_part_of_star_trek_an/
 
Generating headlines was probably one of the reasons for doing it (successfully so, apparently), but it wasn't likely to be the only one. And you say that as if generating headlines is some kind of undesirable thing and not exactly what a new show should want for promotional purposes.

I would imagine that another reason for saying "This is so fucking cool!" is to establish that this is a show on a streaming network with loosened boundaries rather than a conventional TV network. Discovery was a big part of establishing the new CBS All Access brand and showing that the network was planning on showing more adult-oriented fare (at least, content-wise, if not always story-wise) like shows on basic cable channels like AMC and so forth.

Also, it perfectly encapsulates Tilly's personality and boundless enthusiasm, and is probably what an actual adult would say when given the chance to do something fun and amazing.

To call it childish because they did it once (and that certainly was not the only time they cursed) but give Picard a pass because they did it multiple times is silly and arbitrary. It's a perfectly normal, adult thing to say, and the timing was well-done and hilarious.

Besides, it's hardly as if Trek is new to uttering profanities of varying degrees (based on the social mores of the day); it's done that since day one. So is it a headline grabbing oddity or simply following on Trek tradition?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromIn...rsing_has_always_been_a_part_of_star_trek_an/

Fair enough, I can agree with you that generating headlines wasn't the reason for doing it but I think it was a big factor. Back then Star Trek was only just starting to hit mainstream again and getting people talking about it was probably a smart thing to do. My problem is in the execution, if they're going to use the F word and make a big song and dance about it, at least fully commit (like Picard does). To do it once for a cheap shock value was just silly. Much like most of the writing (imo). But I can't stand Stamets so maybe the scene just did nothing for me for that reason.
 
Fair enough, I can agree with you that generating headlines wasn't the reason for doing it but I think it was a big factor. Back then Star Trek was only just starting to hit mainstream again and getting people talking about it was probably a smart thing to do. My problem is in the execution, if they're going to use the F word and make a big song and dance about it, at least fully commit (like Picard does). To do it once for a cheap shock value was just silly. Much like most of the writing (imo). But I can't stand Stamets so maybe the scene just did nothing for me for that reason.
I don't recall for sure but there might have been another time they also dropped the f-bomb (maybe in the second season?). But don't quote me on that. There was certainly a greater frequency of "colorful metaphors" sprinkled throughout Discovery however to demonstrate that this was not just a one-off thing and was part of a concerted effort to introduce more adult language (which, who am I kidding, because kids cuss like sailors too).
 
You're being very naive if you think that one and only F bomb in the entire season (series?), early on, wasn't done for the sole purpose of generating headlines, which as the above (1 page of many) search result proves, it did. It was a childish headline grabber, nothing more. At least ST: Picard has the sense to use it in more than one scene so as to make it slightly more natural.

You know what? I don't think they did it to generate headlines. I think that, early on, the folks who make the show were earnest about trying to break with the style of the previous Trek productions and make it more like other contemporary cable and streaming TV. The f-bomb was heavy-handed, awkward and ineffectual - hey, we're talking about STD, right? - and the response to it was so generally negative as a result that they didn't repeat the experiment.

Did they say "fuck" a lot on Picard? You know, I didn't notice.
 
PIC handles characters and dialogue better than DSC. That's why "sheer fucking hubris" didn't land like a stone in a pool of chocolate pudding.
 
The f-bomb was heavy-handed, awkward and ineffectual - hey, we're talking about STD, right? - and the response to it was so generally negative as a result that they didn't repeat the experiment.

Sure but the series was filmed in advance, season 1 was done by the time that episode aired. But I take your point, especially the heavy handed and awkward Discovery part.
 
You can find them using the word "fuck" to be out of sync with your expectations of language in Trek but everyone forgets that DS9 dropped the N word in "Far Beyond The Stars".

Surely that was a much bigger departure from "Trek language" than a few fucks?
 
You can find them using the word "fuck" to be out of sync with your expectations of language in Trek but everyone forgets that DS9 dropped the N word in "Far Beyond The Stars".

Surely that was a much bigger departure from "Trek language" than a few fucks?

That was in service to the story, very different.

In Tilly and Stamets' case it was just expletive for the sake of it.
 
That was in service to the story, very different.

In Tilly and Stamets' case it was just expletive for the sake of it.

100% agree that it was a very different situation and that is important to consider.

Agree to disagree on the necessity or otherwise of saying fuck in Disco and Pic - for me it shows a bit of humanity/the imperfect nature of these people.

I found the Shakespearean rigidity of the characters in the older shows jarring but for others they loved it.

Weirdest one for me was the insistence that children would call their dad "father". Think the only one not to was Jake Sisko (think Nog might have been the same, although he would then refer to Quark as "uncle" which seemed odd as well but that comes from my own experience of family dynamics so may be more common in the States to do that) and the relationship between him and his old man always seemed much more natural and real than many of the other ones depicted
 
You can find them using the word "fuck" to be out of sync with your expectations of language in Trek but everyone forgets that DS9 dropped the N word in "Far Beyond The Stars".

Surely that was a much bigger departure from "Trek language" than a few fucks?
To be fair that was in a 1950s setting. I do remember though when Data said shit in Generations everyone thought it was funny. So why not fuck frim Tilly I wonder.
 
To be fair that was in a 1950s setting. I do remember though when Data said shit in Generations everyone thought it was funny. So why not fuck frim Tilly I wonder.

100% on the setting being important.

I liked it in Gen as it felt congruent with Data experiencing that emotion for the first time - I sure as hell would have been saying shit if I was in that position.
 
Data was not funny. Over blown, irritating and distracting. Felt like an aping of "Oh fudge" from a Christmas Story.

Tilly felt a bit more human, as did Clancy.
 
I actually think Data only had two funny moments in that movie. Pushing Crusher into the water and the shit line. Well the "yes" as well when the klingon ship blows up but only that because you can see the extra about to do a fist pump in the background and stop before he steps on the Data moment. Someone pointed that out awhile back and now it's all I see in that scene.
 
I actually think Data only had two funny moments in that movie. Pushing Crusher into the water and the shit line. Well the "yes" as well when the klingon ship blows up but only that because you can see the extra about to do a fist pump in the background and stop before he steps on the Data moment. Someone pointed that out awhile back and now it's all I see in that scene.
The yes is funny.

The "Oh shit" is not. To quote Geordi: "Data, that was not funny. Now, go back and watch Joe Piscabo again."

And humor is subjective. As well as how effective swearing is. I am continuous fascinated by the variation of what is considered acceptable in Star Trek. An android swearing? Hilarious. A human swearing? Painful. :shrug:
 
I actually liked Tilly's cuss. It helps that I think Fuck is one of those cuss words that is timeless. Sometimes they aren't like how people would call stuff, gay they didn't like. Shit and Fuck though seem like they have and will continue to be used for along time. I think asshole holds up as well.
 
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