2021 Emmy Nominations

[fireproof78]

I mean, I get the logic behind that, but if I google "star trek tilly fuck"* I immediately get four headlines from well-known media outlets (one from ew.com!), so clearly it was. Inverse.com even claims that Disco made history with it (which is ridiculous). This shows that there is a big difference between "newsworthy" and "generating headlines"

*I also didn't get any porn sites, so that's a relief!

Well, that's unexpected. Pretty much on all fronts, especially the porn one...

 

[Sci]

To me it just felt a little off but not a big issue. The only eye rolling moment in Picard was the alien Soji was on a date with who said something like her replicator was tragic or something like that. I mean if your going to use earth slang at least use the older classic stuff. Like fuck and shit is almost timeless at this point. Stuff that sounds like only Millennials or younger would say is when you get more into eye rolling territory.

*shrugs* To me, it's an acceptable dramatic conceit. In real life, English in the 24th and 25th Centuries will probably have changed as much from 21st Century English as 21st Century English has changed from Elizabethan era English. Someone from the year 2399 listening to me speak contemporary English would probably find they have to make the same kind of effort to follow what I'm saying as I typically find I need to make to follow a monologue from Shakespeare or Marlowe. So since Star Trek is starting from the conceit of, "Let's use a form of English that the audience can understand easily instead of depicting how English might really evolve and change over time?," to me it follows naturally that you would just use contemporary vernacular English rather than prescriptivist formal English. Especially since the latter is no less a product of its era and culture than the former, and especially since use of the latter over the former is implicitly classist.

I mean, I get the logic behind that, but if I google "star trek tilly fuck"* I immediately get four headlines from well-known media outlets (one from ew.com!), so clearly it was. Inverse.com even claims that Disco made history with it (which is ridiculous). This shows that there is a big difference between "newsworthy" and "generating headlines"

*I also didn't get any porn sites, so that's a relief!

I am genuinely surprised! And also that is ridiculous. It's just the word fuck. It's an objectively meaningless verbalization that in modern contexts is mostly just an interjection expressing strong emphasis! You might as well have a headline about them using the word very!

 

[fireproof78]

I am genuinely surprised! And also that is ridiculous. It's just the word fuck. It's an objectively meaningless verbalization that in modern contexts is mostly just an interjection expressing strong emphasis! You might as well have a headline about them using the word very!

I would recommend watching "History of Swear Words" on the word. Quite fascinating to see how long its history is and why it is utterly ridiculous to imagine it going out of style. But click bait gots to click bait I suppose.

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

Next year in order to feel more contemporary we find out new Starfleet uniforms come complete with skinny jeans and jacket with a hoodie.

 

[fireproof78]

Next year in order to feel more contemporary we find out new Starfleet uniforms come complete with skinny jeans and jacket with a hoodie.

Don't be ridiculous.

That sounds totally 90s

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

Kids don't wear skinny jeans and hoodies anymore? They at least wear baggy pants and backwards caps I assume and like riding skateboards.

 

[fireproof78]

Kids don't wear skinny jeans and hoodies anymore? They at least wear baggy pants and backwards caps I assume and like riding skateboards.

Hoodies yes, but I've seen less of the jeans and more sweats.

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

Hey I wear sweatpants all the time as well. I bet I am pretty fire looking to the youngsters and they probably think I am happening and with it.

 

[lightspeedbear]

A TV show using the word fuck is not newsworthy and will not generate headlines. TV shows have been using fuck literally for decades now. Literally nobody making DIS is so sheltered or naive that they would erroneously believe using fuck would get them headlines.

Ummm...

 

[lightspeedbear]

You're being very naive if you think that one and only F bomb in the entire season (series?), early on, wasn't done for the sole purpose of generating headlines, which as the above (1 page of many) search result proves, it did. It was a childish headline grabber, nothing more. At least ST: Picard has the sense to use it in more than one scene so as to make it slightly more natural.

 

[Sci]

Kids don't wear skinny jeans and hoodies anymore?

Nope! In fact, Zoomers make fun of Millennials for wearing skinny jeans. They think we're weird old people for it.

Ummm...

Yes, we've established that I was wrong about that already. Do keep up.

You're being very naive if you think that one and only F bomb in the entire season (series?), early on, wasn't done for the sole purpose of generating headlines,

Yes. Yes, the word for thinking that professional writers know that grown adults won't be interested in the use of a swear word in a TV show is "naive." Not "jaded" -- "naive," its exact opposite.

Here's a thought: Maybe they didn't use the word to get headlines (which I cannot imagine would have any impact on streaming subscription sales). Maybe they used it because it was fucking awesome.

 

[lightspeedbear]

Here's a thought: Maybe they didn't use the word to get headlines (which I cannot imagine would have any impact on streaming subscription sales). Maybe they used it because it was fucking awesome.

 

[lightspeedbear]

thinking that professional writers know that grown adults won't be interested in the use of a swear word in a TV show is "naive."

Given the writing on Discovery (and Picard's latter half) I have a hard time considering the writers professional, but ok. Obviously grown adults were interested, because it spawned a ton of headlines and achieved a lot of extra mindshare and word of mouth because of it.

 

[fireproof78]

It was a childish headline grabber,

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

). Maybe they used it because it was fucking awesome.

That too.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

It didn't bother me. It was surprising at first, but no more so really than Data saying "Shit" in GEN.

 

[fireproof78]

It didn't bother me. It was surprising at first, but no more so really than Data saying "Shit" in GEN.

I've heard worse from eight year olds.

 

[Sci]

Given the writing on Discovery (and Picard's latter half) I have a hard time considering the writers professional,

I assure you, none of them are doing this, their full-time job, without getting paid. They are professionals.

Obviously grown adults were interested, because it spawned a ton of headlines and achieved a lot of extra mindshare and word of mouth because of it.

Headlines are meaningless unless they increase subscription numbers; if subscriptions don't go up, the producers have no incentive to obtain scandalized headlines over the use of a bad language word. Do you have any evidence that these pearl-clutching headlines actually increased subscriptions for CBS All-Access?

 

[lightspeedbear]

Headlines are meaningless unless they increase subscription numbers; if subscriptions don't go up, the producers have no incentive to obtain scandalized headlines over the use of a bad language word. Do you have any evidence that these pearl-clutching headlines actually increased subscriptions for CBS All-Access?

Of course I don't have any evidence, how could I? It's just basic common sense. I'm not saying one F bomb and a million online articles talking about made the subscription numbers double overnight, but it's one small thing among many that production companies do to increase viewership.

In this case, they did one thing, in the first few episodes, in a manner that practically shone a spotlight on it as it happened, and then NEVER did that thing again (correct me if I'm wrong, certainly not in the first season). The only thing missing from their childish execution was to have someone gasp or drop a glass.

Anyway, it's all opinions. It doesn't really matter. You love Discovery, I don't. We'll not convince each other that it's bad/great. I'd love Streaming Trek to be great (imo), and for that quality to then be recognised with lots of Emmy awards, but alas... maybe next year.

 

[Vger23]

I see it’s the Great F-Bomb Debate, 4 years later and going strong.

Glad to see we are still consistent on what we decide to be irked about. Now, if you’ll all excuse me, I’m headed to the ENT forum to complain about the theme song.

 

[fireproof78]

I'd love Streaming Trek to be great (imo), and for that quality to then be recognised with lots of Emmy awards, but alas... maybe next year.

It will not.