After working around and through all those pregnancies, it would be madness to quit on bones now that they're free and clear with the girls being all babied out.
2012 Renewal Axe List
- Thread starter Jax
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Ah didn't realise I missed it.
Its been renewed for season 8 and I would think after recent ratings that would be the last.
A few changes...
ABC
Likely to be renewed
Castle
Dancing With The Stars
Grey's Anatomy
Once Upon a Time
Modern Family
Revenge
Suburgatory
The Middle
Wipeout
Shark Tank
Primetime: What Would You Do?
Private Practice
Happy Endings
50/50
Coguar Town
Last Man Standing
Body of Proof
Likely to be cancelled
The River
Missing
GCB
Already cancelled
Charlie's Angels
Pan Am
Work It
Man Up
Ending
Desperate Housewives
Extreme Makeover: Home Edition
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CBS
Already renewed
How I Met Your Mother
The Big Bang Theory
2 Broke Girls
NCIS
NCIS: LA
Criminal Minds
CSI
Hawaii Five O
Persons of Interest
The Good Wife
The Mentalist
Blue Bloods
Mike & Molly
Survivor
The Amazing Race
Undercover Boss
Likely to be renewed
Two and a Half Men
50/50
CSI: Miami
CSI: NY
Rules of Engagement
Likely to be cancelled
A Gifted Man
Unforgettable
Rob
Already cancelled
How To Be A Gentleman
ABC
Likely to be renewed
Castle
Dancing With The Stars
Grey's Anatomy
Once Upon a Time
Modern Family
Revenge
Suburgatory
The Middle
Wipeout
Shark Tank
Primetime: What Would You Do?
Private Practice
Happy Endings
50/50
Coguar Town
Last Man Standing
Body of Proof
Likely to be cancelled
The River
Missing
GCB
Already cancelled
Charlie's Angels
Pan Am
Work It
Man Up
Ending
Desperate Housewives
Extreme Makeover: Home Edition
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CBS
Already renewed
How I Met Your Mother
The Big Bang Theory
2 Broke Girls
NCIS
NCIS: LA
Criminal Minds
CSI
Hawaii Five O
Persons of Interest
The Good Wife
The Mentalist
Blue Bloods
Mike & Molly
Survivor
The Amazing Race
Undercover Boss
Likely to be renewed
Two and a Half Men
50/50
CSI: Miami
CSI: NY
Rules of Engagement
Likely to be cancelled
A Gifted Man
Unforgettable
Rob
Already cancelled
How To Be A Gentleman
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FOX
Already renewed
The Simpsons
Bones
Raising Hope
Glee
Family Guy
The Cleveland Show
The X Factor
American Dad
New Girl
Kitchen Nightmares
Likely to be renewed
Touch
50/50
Fringe
Likely to be cancelled
Alcatraz
The Finder
Bob's Burgers
Napoleon Dynamite
Already cancelled
Allen Gregory
Terra Nova
Breaking In
Ending
House
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NBC
Already renewed
Smash
Grimm
Likely to be renewed
The Office
The Biggest Loser
The Voice
The Sing Off
Who Do You Think You Are?
50/50
Community
Parks and Recreation
Parenthood
30 Rock
Law & Order: SVU
Likely to be cancelled
Harry's Law
Prime Suspect
Rock Center With Brian Williams
Are You There, Chelsea?
The Firm
Up All Night
Whitney
Awake
Bent
Fashion Star
Already cancelled
Free Agents
The Playboy Club
Ending
Chuck
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CW
Likely to be renewed
America's Next Top Model
The Secret Circle
The Vampire Diaries
Supernatural
50/50
Hart of Dixie
Gossip Girl
90120
Likely to be cancelled
Remodeled
Nikita
Ringer
Already cancelled
H8R
Ending
One Tree Hill
Already renewed
The Simpsons
Bones
Raising Hope
Glee
Family Guy
The Cleveland Show
The X Factor
American Dad
New Girl
Kitchen Nightmares
Likely to be renewed
Touch
50/50
Fringe
Likely to be cancelled
Alcatraz
The Finder
Bob's Burgers
Napoleon Dynamite
Already cancelled
Allen Gregory
Terra Nova
Breaking In
Ending
House
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NBC
Already renewed
Smash
Grimm
Likely to be renewed
The Office
The Biggest Loser
The Voice
The Sing Off
Who Do You Think You Are?
50/50
Community
Parks and Recreation
Parenthood
30 Rock
Law & Order: SVU
Likely to be cancelled
Harry's Law
Prime Suspect
Rock Center With Brian Williams
Are You There, Chelsea?
The Firm
Up All Night
Whitney
Awake
Bent
Fashion Star
Already cancelled
Free Agents
The Playboy Club
Ending
Chuck
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CW
Likely to be renewed
America's Next Top Model
The Secret Circle
The Vampire Diaries
Supernatural
50/50
Hart of Dixie
Gossip Girl
90120
Likely to be cancelled
Remodeled
Nikita
Ringer
Already cancelled
H8R
Ending
One Tree Hill
doubleohfive
Fleet Admiral
When did GCB get cancelled? What's your source?
Changed it, was supposed to be in likely to be cancelled section.
doubleohfive
Fleet Admiral
Swell. Again though - what's your source?
What that its likely to be cancelled?...The ratings are very low and numerous websites have it on their likely to be cancelled list. This list is my personal list based off all the ratings am seeing + how other websites see it.
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doubleohfive
Fleet Admiral
Which websites? So far all you've given us here has been your own approximation about what is "likely" to be cancelled. I'm just looking for some reputable sources to back up your claim beyond "...because I inferred it."
Is that unreasonable?
Is that unreasonable?
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it's all bulls#!t anyway...
the ratings and 'what gets cancelled' are made up by what a certain number of households in America watch... they're based on samples and 'groups' just within America, without a care about what the rest of the world watch...
it's been said for a while that the whole 'ratings' system is utter crap and needs a workover... they had this problem with several series over the past few years, they did badly in america, got cancelled, and then showed in the rest of the world and got phenomenal reviews and ratings...
it's just sad that the people who control whether shows get cancelled or renewed don't actually care about the rest of the world, they only seem to care about the 8% or so in America who control the ratings system...
M
the ratings and 'what gets cancelled' are made up by what a certain number of households in America watch... they're based on samples and 'groups' just within America, without a care about what the rest of the world watch...
it's been said for a while that the whole 'ratings' system is utter crap and needs a workover... they had this problem with several series over the past few years, they did badly in america, got cancelled, and then showed in the rest of the world and got phenomenal reviews and ratings...
it's just sad that the people who control whether shows get cancelled or renewed don't actually care about the rest of the world, they only seem to care about the 8% or so in America who control the ratings system...
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Foreign viewing does get factored in, but obviously not via the Nielsens, which track only American viewers. That calculation happens as part of the networks' overall process of deciding what lives and dies. There are lots of other non-Nielsens factors that they consider, including their own standards (CBS has higher expectations than NBC), how confident (or not) they are in their new lineup of pilots, and what they need to make their schedules work (for instance, shows can get lower ratings on Fridays and survive when they'd get axed on a night when expectations are higher).
The domestic audience is obviously the crucial factor in determining whether or not a show gets renewed. It would be very difficult for a show to fail utterly domestically and be rescued by foreign ratings. That's a lot of ground to make up.
And then there's the question of who's making money from foreign viewing. For instance, ABC decided the fate of Pan Am (which did better overseas and domestically) on the basis of domestic ratings since Sony is the distributor, and ABC is part of Disney, not Sony. (There could have been a side deal between Sony and ABC, but if there was, it wasn't enough to make a difference to ABC.)
International ratings were also behind the abortive efforts of 20th C Fox TV to keep Terra Nova alive. But without FOX being willing to air it, it had to find another domestic partner like Netflix, which didn't pan out, especially considering the budget.
One source for ratings analysis is tvbythenumbers. They don't have a crystal ball, but it's a good general guide to which shows are in trouble, which are safe and why.
They've got CGB listed as a tossup right now, but what the renew/cancel index doesn't tell us is what ABC's pilots for next year look like. They greenlighted an unusually large number of them (in the pre-pilot phase) and then winnowed their pilots down from that number. Odds are, if any network has a stellar lineup of pilots that they'd be willing to axe shows in favor of, it's ABC.
And unlike NBC, CBS and FOX, they haven't renewed anything yet. That tells me that their pilots for next season are going to be a big part of the decision making process, so that's a huge factor that we can't know anything about.
And that's another reason for the networks to ignore foreign ratings. If American shows do well overseas simply because they have less competition than domestically, then why does it matter if those shows are Pan Am and Terra Nova, vs two new shows in the 2012-13 season? The new shows have the advantage that American audiences haven't rejected them yet (and maybe they'll be hits) and in foreign markets, they'll benefit from lack of competition as much as any other show does. It's always worthwhile to keep rolling the dice.
Everyone carps about the Neilsens but there's no way to tell whether they're right or not, unless two whole new systems were created to see if they get the same results (the third is needed in case the Neilsens and the first new system give different results - you still don't know which one is right).
The expense of creating two whole new systems would be gargatuan and as long as advertisers are content to accept the Nielsens as correct, nobody has any motivation to change the system. Why spend money to fix a system that isn't broken? And as long as the ad dollars roll in, the system isn't broken from the network's point of view.
The domestic audience is obviously the crucial factor in determining whether or not a show gets renewed. It would be very difficult for a show to fail utterly domestically and be rescued by foreign ratings. That's a lot of ground to make up.
And then there's the question of who's making money from foreign viewing. For instance, ABC decided the fate of Pan Am (which did better overseas and domestically) on the basis of domestic ratings since Sony is the distributor, and ABC is part of Disney, not Sony. (There could have been a side deal between Sony and ABC, but if there was, it wasn't enough to make a difference to ABC.)
International ratings were also behind the abortive efforts of 20th C Fox TV to keep Terra Nova alive. But without FOX being willing to air it, it had to find another domestic partner like Netflix, which didn't pan out, especially considering the budget.
One source for ratings analysis is tvbythenumbers. They don't have a crystal ball, but it's a good general guide to which shows are in trouble, which are safe and why.
They've got CGB listed as a tossup right now, but what the renew/cancel index doesn't tell us is what ABC's pilots for next year look like. They greenlighted an unusually large number of them (in the pre-pilot phase) and then winnowed their pilots down from that number. Odds are, if any network has a stellar lineup of pilots that they'd be willing to axe shows in favor of, it's ABC.
And unlike NBC, CBS and FOX, they haven't renewed anything yet. That tells me that their pilots for next season are going to be a big part of the decision making process, so that's a huge factor that we can't know anything about.
Meaningless. Foreign markets don't produce nearly as much scripted drama as Hollywood does, and instead show a lot of cheap reality TV. So when an American show airs, of course it will do better. It's got a lot less competition than the same show has in America, where channels are glutted with shows to watch, many of which are very good.
And that's another reason for the networks to ignore foreign ratings. If American shows do well overseas simply because they have less competition than domestically, then why does it matter if those shows are Pan Am and Terra Nova, vs two new shows in the 2012-13 season? The new shows have the advantage that American audiences haven't rejected them yet (and maybe they'll be hits) and in foreign markets, they'll benefit from lack of competition as much as any other show does. It's always worthwhile to keep rolling the dice.
Everyone carps about the Neilsens but there's no way to tell whether they're right or not, unless two whole new systems were created to see if they get the same results (the third is needed in case the Neilsens and the first new system give different results - you still don't know which one is right).
The expense of creating two whole new systems would be gargatuan and as long as advertisers are content to accept the Nielsens as correct, nobody has any motivation to change the system. Why spend money to fix a system that isn't broken? And as long as the ad dollars roll in, the system isn't broken from the network's point of view.
Nope and I never suggested that either.
Two main websites I use for news and rumor are tvbythenumbers and TVLine + I follow Michael Ausiello on Twitter. If I want to check out a piece of news I will branch out via Google to look elsewhere to see how popular n likely it is. At the end of the day though the numbers don't lie and they pretty much paint the future of a show though rarely something other than ratings are more important aka how Chuck made it to 5 despite bad numbers and a chance Fringe may do the same.
I understand what you're saying there Temis the Vorta, but it just really doesn't pan out in real life...
In most TV shows, England, and the rest of the world, are between 9 months and year behind what's being aired in the US... so by the time international figures are added to the data, they've already decided whether or not to cancel it...
A good example of this was Stargate Universe, which got it's second season cancelled before it even got aired in the UK... the people behind the show, Sy-fi in this case, *spit*, cancelled the show without any regard for the rest of the world's viewing figures or how international figures would affect their ratings, they were only concerned with the US figures...
Sadly this happens a LOT because the rest of the world doesn't get the shows that the US does until they're over half way through the series, which by that point, the networks have already decided if the show is going to be cancelled or not...
As for 'why make a new system when the new one isn't broken'... the system is broken, quite blatantly and obviously... the networks don't give a flying f**k about international figures, that much is obvious from the way they cancel shows before the international market has even seen half a series... the networks over there don't give a f**k about the rest of the world, they only care about what does well in america...
Yeah... the rest of the world, you know, the other 80% of the viewing figures for TV... yeah, that's meaningless, of course... that's probably what the networks say as well, if they don't live or watch the show on American soil, then they're meaningless figures... gotcha...
M
In most TV shows, England, and the rest of the world, are between 9 months and year behind what's being aired in the US... so by the time international figures are added to the data, they've already decided whether or not to cancel it...
A good example of this was Stargate Universe, which got it's second season cancelled before it even got aired in the UK... the people behind the show, Sy-fi in this case, *spit*, cancelled the show without any regard for the rest of the world's viewing figures or how international figures would affect their ratings, they were only concerned with the US figures...
Sadly this happens a LOT because the rest of the world doesn't get the shows that the US does until they're over half way through the series, which by that point, the networks have already decided if the show is going to be cancelled or not...
As for 'why make a new system when the new one isn't broken'... the system is broken, quite blatantly and obviously... the networks don't give a flying f**k about international figures, that much is obvious from the way they cancel shows before the international market has even seen half a series... the networks over there don't give a f**k about the rest of the world, they only care about what does well in america...
Yeah... the rest of the world, you know, the other 80% of the viewing figures for TV... yeah, that's meaningless, of course... that's probably what the networks say as well, if they don't live or watch the show on American soil, then they're meaningless figures... gotcha...
M
That's one of the most ignorant things I've read in a long time.
Bollywood produces ten times the volume Hollywood does.
Not nowadays, they're doing better now about trying to launch closer to the American airdate.
You don't know that - that's one of the factors they don't report publicly. Why would any corporation ignore a source of money, from any source? You've glossed over the most important element of my admittedly long post - that the network who decides the fate of a show is not always the same as the distributor who profits from international sales.
And SGU richly deserved cancellation. It sucked.
Wrong. You just don't understand statistics.
That's one of the most ignorant things I've read in a long time.
I knew it would make people here defensive.
But it's true, whether you want to admit it or not. There's a reason why American TV does far better overseas than foreign shows do in America.This is a TV discussion, and Bollywood hardly is a poster child for "quality."
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and its those sort of posts that make me wonder why i even got involved in this discussion in the first place...
Firstly i understand statistics perfectly... it's a known fact the Nielson stats are pathetic and outdated... you're the only one on this forum defending them...
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Firstly i understand statistics perfectly... it's a known fact the Nielson stats are pathetic and outdated... you're the only one on this forum defending them...
M
I knew it would make people here defensive.
Yeah, because American's can't stand anything not American.
I remember an interview with David Cross, as he was promoting "The Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret" commenting on the very same thing, it's not a secret. Sure, you get the odd show that sneaks through every now and then, but it has to be British and MAYBE Canadian. But then it more than likely needs to be re-made.
It's also odd that you think that other markets don't create their own scripted dramas, or enough to rival the quantity of what's done in America. Or have you sampled the majority of shows produced by China, Japan and the like? Like anything sub-titled from another country would sell in America, don't be silly.