2011 SotL Calendar

[BolianAuthor]

This is why no more fanon crap should be in the calendars...

You're entitled to your opinion, BA, but your point gets completely lost on me passed your, for whatever reason, choice to be insulting in your delivery of it.

I never understood we one can't simply share that one does not care for something, without having to resort to insulting the artist's work (thus the artist) in the process. Gene and his IDIC ideal would not be proud.

I have a lot of friends contributing to SOTL (both fans, and BTS pros who were once just, and still are fans) and none of what I see is “crap.” Not by a long shot. That's a high-horse you ride there, I'd say. No-one is forcing you to “put your money down.”

Word of advice; you want peeps to ever consider your POV in convo, try not insulting them in the process. As that is all that they will remember and/or consider the source once it comes out of your mouth. Or just fall back on the Golden Rule if in doubt. What a concept.

Carry on.

deg

I am not being forced to put my money down... but as you just said... you have seen lots of potentially great artwork... stuff that is certainly better than the Sun Tzu, and more worthy to be put in a calendar which can only be limited to 13 images at most. And yes, I will say that IMO, the Sun Tzu is a crappy ship, because it looks like remarkably little thought AND work went into it. It looks like something a small kid would doodle. But that's just MY OPINION. That being said, this leads into the question of how do we say who is "good enough" to be in the calendar, fan-wise?

That's just ONE reason why NO fan stuff should be included... otherwise, how is it fair for just one or a few people to say, okay, we'll have only this selection of fan artists, and so on... why not include Atolm, who makes designs that are very unique, or someone else? This is why it should just be kept to the people who actually worked on the shows... that way, it's all in-house, it's all actual concept stuff, and it's all their own work... nothing from outside, and no conflict, in terms of who decides which fan art is worthy.

 

[deg3D]

I cannot speak to any of that with any authority and know only one person who can. That is something you would have to ask Doug Drexler.

I will ask you this though out of my own curiosity; What is it you hope to accomplish by openly knocking people's efforts? Do you feel this is a viable tactic in getting peeps to sympathize with your POV and perhaps enact some sort of change to your liking? What do you personally “get” out of calling someone's artwork “çrappy” in public, even if you do happen to think it is? Do you enjoy it? Is it a rush of some sort to you? I really just don't understand the drive and/or logic behind that approach myself, so I am curious on how and what your expectations are of it all playing out to your approval.

deg

 

[BolianAuthor]

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You choose to highlight the word "crap" as if to make a big issue out of it... like I said, I could have phrased it better... but YOU seem to be dwelling on it. Where was your little text highlighter when I said I could have phrased it better, huh?

 

[sojourner]

^I'd say that Deg's highlighter is still looking for your apology.

 

[deg3D]

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You choose to highlight the word "crap" as if to make a big issue out of it... like I said, I could have phrased it better... but YOU seem to be dwelling on it. Where was your little text highlighter when I said I could have phrased it better, huh?

Oh dude, this convo tone has just gone officially south, and I have no desire to go in that direction with you.

I respect you opinion for yourself. I was merely bolding the word to point out what I was thinking about/referring to, not trying to.., well, whatever it is you think I was trying to do.

I italicized your quote and the fact that I did copy-n-paste your quote at all i think displays even and objective play. I even went back and bolded it now.

And with that, beg pardon, I'm out. Consider yourself the victor as I have no point to prove here. Glad you found something to your liking in SOTL 2011.

best and peace to ya | deg

 

[BolianAuthor]

I will apologize, if he (deg) will apologize for making this personal, accusing me of insulting him and everyone else. I said in my post that I could have phrased things better, and I apologize for my poor choice of words. It was not meant to offend anyone, or directed at anyone.

 

[deg3D]

^I'd say that Deg's highlighter is still looking for your apology.

No, friend sir sojourner, I am not, thanks. It may not appear that way, but no real offense was ever taken by me. Just sharin' some thoughts on the whole thing. My POV/words are not agreed with, no biggy. Not the first time. And I don't argue on as I never have a point to prove. Peeps are entitled to their thoughts and opinions. I have no prob with that. I'm done now. Moving along in good spirit, no grudge be ever held by me.

deg

 

[deg3D]

I will apologize, if he (deg) will apologize for making this personal, accusing me of insulting him and everyone else. I said in my post that I could have phrased things better, and I apologize for my poor choice of words. It was not meant to offend anyone, or directed at anyone.

No need to apologize to me, BA, as again, may not seem like it; but no offense taken.

But I do apologize to you if you did take some offense to my expressing myself in regard to how you express yourself. It was not my intention to insult you. Just trying to share that your choice (and you seem to see that now) of words might in fact hurt someone's feelings. Not my own, even if it may seem like that online with the mere tone of the typed word. I assure you, had we been in the same room, you would not see any type of hurt or anger on my face, Quite the opposite, I'm as laid-back as they come, eh.

And, as making peace is of the utmost and paramount value to me, pride never being an issue that blocks me, then yes, I am sorry, and I'm sorry we had this little misunderstanding and/or diference of opinion.

Tolerance (even, or rather esp. when I don't agree) with others and/or their views is the road I like to walk. So peace and IDIC to you and yours.

Best to ya dude | deg

 

[BolianAuthor]

I will apologize, if he (deg) will apologize for making this personal, accusing me of insulting him and everyone else. I said in my post that I could have phrased things better, and I apologize for my poor choice of words. It was not meant to offend anyone, or directed at anyone.

No need to apologize to me, BA, as again, may not seem like it; but no offense taken.

But I do apologize to you if you did take some offense to my expressing myself in regard to how you express yourself. It was not my intention to insult you. Just trying to share that your choice (and you seem to see that now) of words might in fact hurt someone's feelings. Not my own, even if it may seem like that online with the mere tone of the typed word. I assure you, had we been in the same room, you would not see any type of hurt or anger on my face, Quite the opposite, I'm as laid-back as they come, eh.

And, as making peace is of the utmost and paramount value to me, pride never being an issue that blocks me, then yes, I am sorry, and I'm sorry we had this little misunderstanding and/or diference of opinion.

Tolerance (even, or rather esp. when I don't agree) with others and/or their views is the road I like to walk. So peace and IDIC to you and yours.

Best to ya dude | deg

Fair be it. Let us consider the matter closed, and hands shook, then. No harm done.

 

[RAMA]

The DrexFiles video of the JJverse ships really shows how well they match up with past ST history, and how beautiful they are. Well done!

RAMA

 

[Probert]

I do agree that it would be nice to see a direction towards the unchained VFX concept though. I know Probert had that kickass sketch of an alternate angle of the -D entering the dyson sphere.

Heh, heh,...(rubbing his hands together) heh, heh, heehhhhh.

 

[Santaman]

^^ Yer hiding something again!!

 

[Warped9]

The DrexFiles video of the JJverse ships really shows how well they match up with past ST history, and how beautiful they are. Well done!

RAMA

 

[JarodRussell]

LOL.


Warped9, would you like to see only TOS stuff in the calendar?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, that'd work - take all the TNG-24th century era stuff out and the folks at Borders can move these directly from the shipping box to the remainder table. Saves 'em a step.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

The DrexFiles video of the JJverse ships really shows how well they match up with past ST history, and how beautiful they are. Well done!

RAMA

When ever people complain about the new Enterprise, it reminds me of the people who complain that Batman in the new movies should wear the Grey Batman suit worn by Adam West. They are so mired in the past that they can't accept change.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Hey, I knew a grown man whose main complaint about Tim Burton's "Batman" movies was the body armor.

Seriously.

 

[Warped9]

LOL.
Warped9, would you like to see only TOS stuff in the calendar?

That isn't realistic. I just don't like ANYTHING from JJ's movie.

 

[Kemaiku]

The DrexFiles video of the JJverse ships really shows how well they match up with past ST history, and how beautiful they are. Well done!

RAMA

As much as I hate that film, only the Abramsprise is ugly to me, I like the other designs and wouldn't mind seeing them featured, especially the Kelvin, just not the Nuprise...

 

[ProwlAlpha]

At least there is no fake nipples on the new Enterprise. I really don't see a problem with the new Enterprise or the new direction, but thats me, I am open to change.