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2011 NFL Season - A New Game

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How much faith do the Raiders have in Kyle Boller? None, apparently.

Looks like Carson Palmer will start for them this week against the Chefs despite Palmer himself saying it would take time to learn the offense and get back into football shape.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7122918/oakland-raiders-carson-palmer-start-week-7-source-says

Newly acquired Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer, who hasn't played or practiced since last season, is expected to start Sunday's game against Kansas City, a team official told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

I want to see this game out of morbid curiosity but it likely won't be shown in the Chicago market.
 
Next month of the schedule is gonna be rough. The Giants, at the Jets, at Pittsburgh, at Philly, home for KC (I'm going), and at a decent Washington team. Interested to see how it goes.
I think the Patriots will beat the Giants, the Jets (nothing they've done this season has convinced me that they're playoff-bound), and the Chiefs. The Pittsburgh and Philly games are toss-ups, but the Steelers' defense doesn't seem to be as great as it used to be.

Steelers always worry me, Philly has the potential to worry me, Jets get up for Pats week, and there has gotta be some reason I don't like the Giants, but I think I blocked it out of my memory.
 
How much faith do the Raiders have in Kyle Boller? None, apparently.

Looks like Carson Palmer will start for them this week against the Chefs despite Palmer himself saying it would take time to learn the offense and get back into football shape.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7122918/oakland-raiders-carson-palmer-start-week-7-source-says

Newly acquired Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer, who hasn't played or practiced since last season, is expected to start Sunday's game against Kansas City, a team official told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
I want to see this game out of morbid curiosity but it likely won't be shown in the Chicago market.
Expect Run DMC and Michael Bush to run the ball a lot. They'll only have Palmer try to throw it when they absolutely need him to.
 
While I won't deny that I am no fan of the Raiders, I assure you that my comments have less to do with me being a "hater" and more to do with wondering who the hell would seriously pay a 1st/ 2nd or 1st/ 1st round picks for Carson Palmer?
So? What you may not understand is that Hue Jackson is talking about winning "now", not hoarding draft picks for a long slow build. It may or may not work out, but the fact is, there is more than one way to win in the NFL especially these days of rampant parity. As I previously posted, if it works the way we want it to work out, who cares about the lost picks. In fact, my fervent hope is that that 2013 2nd pick turns out to be a resounding 1st rounder. BTW, the Raiders will collect about 4 mid round picks for the loss of free agents.
Like I said above, he's not a bad QB, but he's not worth that much either. I certainly won't argue that it's a bold move, but I don't think it's worth it either.
Not even willing to entertain the possibility that it may work out brilliantly, huh? Keep assuring me your opinions aren't based at least 90% or more on hater-aide and about 10% or less on objective knowledge of the game.
But, if you guys think that selling the farm for this one last piece will get you where you want to go, I wish you the best of luck with that.
See my explanation above about "winning now".
And I sincerely hope that strategy works out for you guys like it normally worked for the Redskins and like it's worked this year for the Eagles and Falcons. ;)
:p Aren't you a Broncos fan?
 
So? What you may not understand is that Hue Jackson is talking about winning "now", not hoarding draft picks for a long slow build.
This is stupid. Keeping your top picks is not 'hoarding'.
It may or may not work out, but the fact is, there is more than one way to win in the NFL especially these days of rampant parity. As I previously posted, if it works the way we want it to work out, who cares about the lost picks. In fact, my fervent hope is that that 2013 2nd pick turns out to be a resounding 1st rounder. BTW, the Raiders will collect about 4 mid round picks for the loss of free agents.
Well, first of all, mid-round compensatory picks aren't nearly as valuable as 1st and 2nd round picks. Second of all, you get those picks whether you trade away your 1st and 2nd round picks or not, so it hardly seems relevant. Third, you spent your 3rd round pick next year in the supplemental draft to get Pryor. Ya know. A guy you plan on playing as a QB. Apparently your #2 and #4 for 2012 are gone already as well.
Not even willing to entertain the possibility that it may work out brilliantly, huh? Keep assuring me your opinions aren't based at least 90% or more on hater-aide and about 10% or less on objective knowledge of the game.
Objective knowledge of the game? As if that's something you're displaying in any capacity yourself?

The #2 pick only escalates to a #1 if the Raiders make the AFC title game. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that won't happen. But a first and a second round pick is still too much for Carson Palmer. A second is probably pushing it.

Let's see, Palmer has never actually won a playoff game. Have you watched him play the last couple of years? He actually hasn't even been that good. Statistically he's not even in the top 50 percent of starting QBs in the league over the last couple of years. He really hasn't had a good year since 2006.

Hue helped recruit him out of high school, and was on the Bengals staff for a little bit when Palmer was starting. He said something like "it's not about the statistics, it's about the person". Yeah, really sounds like Hue has evaluated Palmer objectively :lol:

And they didn't have time to evaluate Palmer's game film from the past few years. They had what? 48 hours to get the trade done after the injury? Presumably a lot of that was actually working out the details of the trade. Were they pushing for Palmer during the offseason? I don't remember hearing any kind of talk. Al Davis has died since then. The Raiders are actually looking for a GM. And that makes sense, because you pretty much have to be a team that doesn't have a GM to think this trade is a good idea.

Then there's the fact that it's not easy coming in off the street to a new team and start playing regular season games a few days later with essentially no preparation. No time to build chemistry with your receivers. No training camp. No preseason. Just a couple of practices.

And not to mention he's getting like 7-8 million guaranteed... He'll make something like 12 million next year. There's a very real possibility that the Raiders will have to waive him before one or both of those draft picks even comes around. That is a lot of money for Palmer.

It's such an obvious panic move. Of course it's a bad move. If the Raiders somehow make some waves in the playoffs it's STILL a bad move. Sometimes really bad choices work out. People have driven drunk to a casino and proceeded to win thousands of dollars. That doesn't make drunk driving a GOOD FUCKING IDEA.
 
A trade of running backs between the Lions and Eagles has been called off because the Detroit player, Jerome Harrison, failed his physical.

Happens all the time, right? Not this way. Eagles doctors discovered that Harrison has a brain tumor. He has started treatment and all reports indicate that he has a good prognosis.

Being traded might have saved his life.

As Philadelphia Eagles doctors were giving newly acquired running back Jerome Harrison his physical, they discovered a brain tumor that nullified a trade with the Detroit Lions, according to two league sources.
The trade might have actually saved Harrison's life, the sources said. Without the deal being made, Harrison would not have undergone a physical. The tumor is now being treated, according to sources.
 
If Dallas lose this sunday, I'll emigrate somewhere where my NFL Game Pass won't reach me. Not a fun season this far, at all.
 
How much faith do the Raiders have in Kyle Boller? None, apparently.

Looks like Carson Palmer will start for them this week against the Chefs despite Palmer himself saying it would take time to learn the offense and get back into football shape.

I'm convinced that Al isn't dead, but rather this is in fact the greatest trolling attempt in history.

gblews said:
So? What you may not understand is that Hue Jackson is talking about winning "now", not hoarding draft picks for a long slow build. It may or may not work out, but the fact is, there is more than one way to win in the NFL especially these days of rampant parity. As I previously posted, if it works the way we want it to work out, who cares about the lost picks. In fact, my fervent hope is that that 2013 2nd pick turns out to be a resounding 1st rounder. BTW, the Raiders will collect about 4 mid round picks for the loss of free agents.

This holds water for about two seconds until you realize that the Raiders are not one piece away from a championship run, especially since Jason Campbell was pretty capable, particularly so when considering that he's basically had to learn a new offense every year of his career, and they hadn't really even gotten a taste of Boller yet. Also, don't forget that Palmer has been plain bad since, oh, the middle of the last decade. Dude's been out of football for ages, too. This is not the trade that puts the Raiders over the top.

So, basically, they're tossing away picks in a half-baked move that ultimately means nothing for the team, because Palmer is already on the decline and will likely flame out in a few years. And while it's easy to say "raiders drafting lol" and rationalize the sacrificed picks, we have no idea how the team will draft in the post-Al era.

In any event, I feel bad for Campbell. After that trainwreck he was drafted into in Washington, he finally gets a shot in Oakland, and after they let go of Gradkowski, it was his team, and by all metrics he was doing fairly well. Then he gets hurt, and the organization makes a move that says he won't start in Oakland again, because the Raiders wanted a guy who threw his tantrum, took his ball and went home. (Granted, the Browns' organization looks like a nightmare to be in, but he still quit on his team.)
 
Not even willing to entertain the possibility that it may work out brilliantly, huh? Keep assuring me your opinions aren't based at least 90% or more on hater-aide and about 10% or less on objective knowledge of the game.
Oh, give me a break. I would be calling this a questionable move regardless of which team made it, and I can promise that I would be royally pissed if it was the Broncos making it. Raiders are improved, there's no question about that, but you don't make the leap from a decade of futility to being a QB away from being a winner in a single season. And even if they were at the point of being a QB away, Palmer hasn't shown anything recently to indicate he's the answer. But don't take my word for it- there seems to be plenty of other apparent "hater-aide" drinkers around here who probably do know more about the game than I do. :P
 
So? What you may not understand is that Hue Jackson is talking about winning "now", not hoarding draft picks for a long slow build. It may or may not work out, but the fact is, there is more than one way to win in the NFL especially these days of rampant parity.

Hoarding draft picks? You present a peculiar justification for giving up first round draft picks for a quarterback who has, for the most part, underperformed for the last 5 years or so (after his 2005 injury). The Bengals' mild success in 2009 in reaching the playoffs was primarily spearheaded by their acquisition of Cedric Benson. Let's also not forget how miserably he performed that year in the playoffs against the Jets.

In any event, I wish the Raiders well, and hopefully he works out for you guys.

-Jamman
 
The sad thing is that even with Palmer's numbers in the past few seasons being rather disappointing, he was still better over that span of time than any of the Raiders' quarterbacks.
 
Uhhh.... multiple, though I'm not sure how the situation compares. As far as me being pissed had Denver made the same trade as the Raiders versus Denver swapping all those picks for Tebow.... We know what Palmer has as a body of work the last several years and that's where my questions come from. When Tebow was drafted, I wasn't calling it a questionable move or dancing in the streets over it because... well, I had no idea who Tebow was. I don't watch college ball. All I knew about him was that he was a QB and he had a super bowl commercial. I had no idea what McD was moving up for (which is something that in hindsight could probably be said for most of his moves), so I could really damn him for throwing away a bunch of picks or praise him for getting us back up there to grab Tebow.
 
Just what kind of injury did Campbell have?

Palmer was never the same after the knee injury, but it's like he had much to work with in Cincy. Declining headcases like TO and Ochochinko, who is now a wamr body on the sidelines in NE.
 
(Granted, the Browns' organization looks like a nightmare to be in, but he still quit on his team.)

Palmer played for the Bengals, but regardless, they've been a mess alright. Enough so that I have a hard time blaming him for sitting out like that, since nothing seemed to be changing at all to improve things. Same "GM", same coach, new OC but from what..... FCS? In Oakland, he's reunited with a head coach who helped him at USC and at first in Cincinnati.

Still.... just flat-out quitting on the team like that doesn't sit well with me, regardless of how hopeless it all looked. Keep playing, let the team still draft Dalton and maybe relations are better and the team trades you. WHo knows?
 
I say if you're making over 10 million a year you don't get to sit out. Yes, Cinci is a poorly run franchise. But so what? It's not like they're trying to fill the roster with losers to spite Palmer or something. You know what Carson, you're not the GM. You don't own the team. You weren't underpaid, if anything you were overpaid. What is there really to pout about?
 
"Suck for Luck"

Fans are hoping for their teams to suck so bad, that they would have a shot at Andrew Luck in the draft.

The sad (and irritating) thing is, Indy has been at or near the top of the NFL for so long and Manning being out 1 year could give them a shot at this guy.

Of course even more sad is, how can one guy, even Manning, make that much of a difference to a team? He doesn't play defense. Does anyone else on that team have any pride?
 
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