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2011 NFL Season - A New Game

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Yoda said:
So? What you may not understand is that Hue Jackson is talking about winning "now", not hoarding draft picks for a long slow build.
This is stupid. Keeping your top picks is not 'hoarding'.
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I meant that winning "now" might involve using draft picks that a team would normally hold onto.
Well, first of all, mid-round compensatory picks aren't nearly as valuable as 1st and 2nd round picks. Second of all, you get those picks whether you trade away your 1st and 2nd round picks or not, so it hardly seems relevant. Third, you spent your 3rd round pick next year in the supplemental draft to get Pryor. Ya know. A guy you plan on playing as a QB. Apparently your #2 and #4 for 2012 are gone already as well.
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Yes, I know the compensatory picks are mid late round picks. I was responding to the OP who seemed to believe that the Raiders' draft cupboard would be completely bare for the next couple of years.
Objective knowledge of the game? As if that's something you're displaying in any capacity yourself?
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:wtf: My response wasn't meant to show objectivity. I was responding to the OP's contention that he was showing objective knowledge of the game. Perhaps you should take another look at the post I was responding to, might help you keep things in context.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that won't happen. But a first and a second round pick is still too much for Carson Palmer. A second is probably pushing it.
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Perhaps, perhaps. I deleted the mostly speculative blather based on the recent past. If this thing doesn't work out, you can continue talking s***. But if it does work out, you have never seen s*** talked...:cool:
It's such an obvious panic move. Of course it's a bad move. If the Raiders somehow make some waves in the playoffs it's STILL a bad move. Sometimes really bad choices work out. People have driven drunk to a casino and proceeded to win thousands of dollars. That doesn't make drunk driving a GOOD FUCKING IDEA.
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Damn, hyperbole much? It was a risky move with a chance for high reward or sizable setback. And no doubt, just like you, many of the "football pundits" will claim it was still a "bad" move even if it works out. So be it, of such things are championships sometimes made. And if it does work out, you can have all of your "good" football moves. As I said, in these days of parity, there is more than one way to win. Finally, if Palmer eventually leads the Raiders deep into the playoffs, it won't be the first time a move considered "bad" by the football "experts" has worked out for the franchise.
 
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Timby said:
This holds water for about two seconds until you realize that the Raiders are not one piece away from a championship run,
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How do you know this? I'm not saying they are only one player away, but with parity and one game eliminations in the NFL, how does anyone know that much about most teams' chances? I mean there are certainly some teams who have a better chance than others of making the playoffs and getting to the SB, but we have all seen major upsets in the last 10 years or so. Besides that, it is still early. A team that looks one way now, may not look that way in a couple of months.
In any event, I feel bad for Campbell. After that trainwreck he was drafted into in Washington, he finally gets a shot in Oakland, and after they let go of Gradkowski, it was his team, and by all metrics he was doing fairly well. Then he gets hurt, and the organization makes a move that says he won't start in Oakland again, because the Raiders wanted a guy who threw his tantrum, took his ball and went home. (Granted, the Browns' organization looks like a nightmare to be in, but he still quit on his team.)
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Now this I can agree with. Jason Campbell was playing well and may have been on the cusp of composing one of those great NFL success stories. The business of football can be quite cold. But his contract was up this year and it is possible that, just like former coach, Tom Cable, the Raiders may not have viewed Jason as the long term guy capable of quarterbacking the team into a Super Bowl.
 
^ If he was saying it right now, not so good.

The Bears and their useless fucking zone defense. From a 16 point lead to a 3 point lead in mere minutes.
 
The Lions are starting to look increasingly human to me. Atlanta is not a bad team obviously and they might still win this game, but still, I think they are ranked a bit higher than they should be.
 
You've got to be kidding me....... I really thought Denver was dead. Special teams really came through big, both on the onside kick and Prater finally making a kick today. Defense was alright for the most part, though CB Wilhite was seriously getting his ass kicked. The strip sack by DJ Williams came at the perfect time too, just as Miami got some life back. The offense made me want to jump out of a window for 3 and a half quarters, but it finally showed some life with 5 minutes to go in regulation.

I'm going to put out the same Tebow-related complaint that I put out last year- for the first 3.5 quarters, they did not want to let Tebow throw and when they did, it was long shots down the field. There's something to be said about doing the gameplan towards his strengths, but you can't completely cut out the passing game either. He did respectably on the shorter passes. With that said, his real long passes were painfully ugly. That is going to be something that they need to look at. I could see at the beginning he was often giving into his first instinct of running when things go wrong, but towards the end, he appeared to settle in and make an effort to make throws.

Overall, very happy with the win (I know, I know- this is screwing up some people's desires to lose as many as possible), saw just about what I expected to see from Tebow (not great, but not horrible), and looking forward to next week.
 
gblews said:
If this thing doesn't work out, you can continue talking s***. But if it does work out, you have never seen s*** talked...:cool:
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Shit. It's spelled Shit. Granted, I have very little else to add to this conversation, seeing as I couldn't give a shit about the Raiders. They were a terrible organization before, I don't expect this to help them do much better now, and it'll contribute to them being a terrible organization in the future.
 
I hate to be such a debby downer but this weekend in the NFL has been almost god awful. So many flags, so many injuries, roughing the passer calls that are so weak that I'm not sure if I'm even watching Football (The call in Cleveland being the one I'm talking about) and the only Bay Area team playing today crapping it out there partially because they don't have a ready QB but other than that, I have no idea. Maybe the teams on Bye this week do provide all the excitement, or maybe the schedule was done in a way where it was just luck of the draw that we got so many bad things.

I guess the only positive thing I liked today was watching Tim Tebow bring Denver back and actually win, thus starting the Tebow era in that city. Other than that, I can't wait till the 49ers return next week and continue the push to the playoffs. Oh, and the NFC West is so bad, the 49ers won this week and they didn't even play.
 
Personally, I kinda wish Tebow hadn't brought the Broncos back from the brink because this is just going to get the Tebow wankers back into full frenzy about how awesome and "clutch" he is, while ignoring the fact that he did jack shit for 3 quarters. I mean, it should be fairly obvious now that Tebow's success was just as much due to Urban Meyer's coaching and the roster of players he had at Florida, but people seem to think that Florida team was essentially the college version of the Colts.
 
archeryguy1701 said:
You've got to be kidding me....... I really thought Denver was dead.
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I stopped watching with about 7 minutes left to take my son to his baseball game. I assumed they were toast so I didn't bother listening in the car. I didn't even believe it when I heard they actually won. I had to use my phone to check the score.
Of course the Broncos just barely beat the worst team in football, and next week they play the Lions...
 
Oh, boy. Heads are going to roll in the Colts' offices tomorrow. Holy crap, what an embarassing game! Saints, 62- Colts 7. Ouuuuch.
 
Colts should be embarassed. When you lose a good player, of course it will have a negative effect on the team. But there is zero excuse for losing a single player and going from one of the best teams in the league to one of the worst teams in the league. To be honest, this season tells me that the Colts front office is pretty lousy at drafting/ replenishing their team and they just got extremely lucky in the fact that Manning is a player that can single-handedly carry the entire team himself.
 
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