• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

(2011)-2012 NBA Season

Cause the Lakers are the epitome of humility and class. :lol:
Humility? What the Celtics reportedly did to LeBron and my response to that report had nothing to do with the Celtics showing or not showing humility.

In fact, the Lakers have always been one of the classiest of organizations in the NBA and this goes back decades. You may not like them, and if not, I fully understand, but if you are saying they have not been a classy organization, I want examples of why they have not been.

Please give me some examples of lack of class shown by the Lakers.
 
Not to take the piss out of their moment of triumph or anything.... but....

Miami should give their friends up in Boston a call after they've won 15 more of those championships.
Make that 16 more of those championships. Not a Celts fan of course but I wouldn't want anyone to get the Lakers championship totals wrong.

Not sure what you mean. The Celtics have 17 championships. The Heat now have two, counting their 2006 championship they won with Shaq. So, Miami is 15 titles behind Boston.

Meanwhile, the Lakers at 16 are just one championship behind Boston, which also means that the two teams account for somewhere around half of all the NBA championships that have ever been played for, give or take a few.
 
Not to take the piss out of their moment of triumph or anything.... but....

Miami should give their friends up in Boston a call after they've won 15 more of those championships.
Make that 16 more of those championships. Not a Celts fan of course but I wouldn't want anyone to get the Lakers championship totals wrong.

Not sure what you mean. The Celtics have 17 championships. The Heat now have two, counting their 2006 championship they won with Shaq. So, Miami is 15 titles behind Boston.

Meanwhile, the Lakers at 16 are just one championship behind Boston, which also means that the two teams account for somewhere around half of all the NBA championships that have ever been played for, give or take a few.
Yeah, I forgot about the Heat's first title.
 
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42JFe_VV6SM[/yt]

I found this video about James' journey to the championship.
 
It took more than just hard work and sacrifice for LeBron to finally win a ring. It also took a public humiliation, a very public failure, something that is particularly hard to take for a person who has as great a feeling of entitlement as LeBron has. Without this, I have my doubts that he could have mustered the will to do what needed to be done.
 
Story of Lebron James... sort of

Before we begin, I confess I haven't followed the NBA in a long time. The first time I heard of Lebron James was the Desicion. I thought his name is familiar, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I didn't know why he is so important or why people in Cleveland were THAT angry. I searched Youtube for him, and wow, this guy is really good. I asked a friend about him, and he explained the whole thing. And I start to watch the NBA a little bit.

When Lebron James joined the Cleveland Cavaliers, he wanted to be the hometown hero, the one to bring glory to the champion-starved Cleveland. But he realised, as we all did, that Cleveland was cursed and he can't break it. Staying in the Cursland Cavaliers means his dream of championship will never come true.

When he became a free agent, lots of teams are trying to sign him to their team. New York, New Jersey, Miami, Chicago, LA, all wanted him. Cleveland especailly wanted him to stay. His teamate & friend from Team USA gold medal Olympic team, Wade, wanted Lebron to join him in the Heat, and even got Bosh to join earlier to sweeten the deal. In the end, Lebron joined because of promises of champion ship rings, more talent so he don't have to carry a team by himself, warm weather, beaches full of girls in bikinis, and what clenched it, a promise that all of them will go to Disneyworld. That sealed the deal.

So Lebron left Cleveland to Miami because we wanted win the championship. But he didn't realise that Cleveland wanted it a lot more. He may wanted it for 20 years, Cleveland been waiting for over 40 years. So they got mad. Really, REALLY, mad. After Lebron signed a six year contract with the Heat, he felt invicible and bragged about bringing eight championships. I'm not entirely sure how anyone can win 8 championships in 6 years, so maybe he'll stay longer.

Going to the 2011 championships, the Heat were favored to win. After the loss to the Dallas Mavericks, Lebron was sad and humiliated. He realised it takes more than talent to win. He had to dig deep into his soul. He had work hard, sacrifice, and need more teamwork. In 2011-2012 season, we see a change in him. Less arrogrant, more serious. We see better teamwork overall. Yeah sometimes it seems like a team of 2-3 guys and in Game 6 in Boston, it's a 1 man team. For 3 quarters, the only thing Lebron miss was the bench. But in the end, teamwork provails. Chalmers and Miller stepped up their game in the finals. Against the Thunder, which is an extremely awesome team, talent, teamwork, and experience won the championship. Watching him celebrate, I couldn't help but feel happy for him. Lebron learned valuable lessons, and the joke about ending sentences with "in my pants."

James: I just won the championship... IN MY PANTS!!!
Wade: LOL!
444-191JTs.St.55.jpeg

And that's the story of how Lebron James learned that joke...
oh yeah, and earned his first ring.

As for the fear that this will start a horrible trend of star players joining up to form unstoppable teams and easy championships, I don't think that'll happen. Winning requires teamwork and play styles that compliment each other, not giant egos that clash and stars can't share the spotlight. I could be wrong, but I don't think these guys like being overshadowed.
 
Last edited:
As for the fear that this will start a horrible trend of star players joining up to form unstoppable teams and easy championships,

That's exactly what I fear will happen. Now Miami's been rewarded for it. Why wouldn't other players try? The teamwork "lesson" will come after they've already done the trading and joining.
 
I don't have a problem with players going to teams so that they can play with a certain other player (or players). I don't think LeBron's joining the Heat would have been as big an issue if he hadn't held that special on ESPN in which he announced his decision. People still would have complained (especially Cavaliers fans, obviously), but the way he went about it turned a lot of people against him.
 
Star players gathering together on one team doesn't guarantee a championship no matter if the team is put together by the players or a general manager. Besides that, putting a team of stars the stature of James, Wade, and Bosh, became just that much more difficult under the new CBA.

Stars may want to play on the same team or GM's may want certain stars on the same team, but unless that team has an owner willing to risk exceeding the cap and paying an outrageous luxury tax, one or more of those guys will likely end up on a different team.

I still don't have a problem with players deciding where they want to play, for the record. The NBA has moved in an attempt to demonize this concept because IMO, it takes some of the power away from the owners and the commish.

Dorian, why would it make any difference to you (or to any fan), who (GM or players) puts a team together?
 
Because, more than likely, those players would go to the Heat, Lakers, or New York. Small markets get left out. I happen to like small market teams, one in particular.
 
As for the fear that this will start a horrible trend of star players joining up to form unstoppable teams and easy championships, I don't think that'll happen. Winning requires teamwork and play styles that compliment each other, not giant egos that clash and stars can't share the spotlight. I could be wrong, but I don't think these guys like being overshadowed.

What is wrong with what they did?

Think about your own profession. If you were the only talented one there amongst a bunch of floundering dopes, and had the chance to go to a firm committed to getting the top talent in your field, wouldn't you go?

I think 'The Decision' was narcissistic, but how can you blame someone for making a smart career move.

I got no dog in the fight, I'm not a Heat fan or hater. I just don't see why people can't stand them.
 
Because, more than likely, those players would go to the Heat, Lakers, or New York. Small markets get left out. I happen to like small market teams, one in particular.
I see. But I think it is about where the best chance of winning is. Right now I'd be willing to bet that the Thunder would get more consideration than even the Lakers as a destination for a star who is looking for a ring (better enjoy this while you can, BTW). If Milwaukee had going for it what OKC does, you can bet guys would be wanting to go there too. But the Bucks are in a small market and have an inept front office.

Look at the Clippers. Certainly not a small market but the team was considered basketball purgatory until it started looking like they could win. Chauncey Billips, the weak chinned badly tattoed Kenyo Martin, Caron Butler, would never have gone to the Clips if they hadn't been perceived as a possible winner at thge highest levels.

I still think it is about winning more so than location for the superstar players. The lesser guys usually go where the money is and that could mean small market or large market. I'm telling you the league is promoting this stuff in order to stir up public opinion on the side of the owners.
 
Hey, looks like Scottie's playing hardball with Thunder management over his new deal -- as well he should. But from what I'v read, coaching salaries are at rock bottom now. Rick Carlise got ony a $100,000 raise after winning the championship, Eric Spoelstra is/was making less than 2 million (that's going up). But the ESPN story also said that the Blazers will pursue Brooks if he is available -- thus the hardball.

I'm sure it will get done unless Thunder ownership is like Clipper ownership. But stranger things have happened and...Phil is still out there.
 
As for the fear that this will start a horrible trend of star players joining up to form unstoppable teams and easy championships, I don't think that'll happen. Winning requires teamwork and play styles that compliment each other, not giant egos that clash and stars can't share the spotlight. I could be wrong, but I don't think these guys like being overshadowed.

What is wrong with what they did?

Think about your own profession. If you were the only talented one there amongst a bunch of floundering dopes, and had the chance to go to a firm committed to getting the top talent in your field, wouldn't you go?

I think 'The Decision' was narcissistic, but how can you blame someone for making a smart career move.

I got no dog in the fight, I'm not a Heat fan or hater. I just don't see why people can't stand them.

I think you misunderstood me. I don't think there's nothing wrong with what they did. I was defending their actions. I don't hate the Heat, I don't know understand why some people hate them either. I completely agree with you on this subject.

I was addressing the irrational fear people have of "players forming unstoppable teams". It takes more than talent to win championships. If players don't want to overshadowed, or stuck team they don't like, I think they should have every right to leave when their contracts end.
 
They'll get Scottie Brooks signed. It won't be until the middle of next week or so, but they'll get him signed. It's all negotiating tactics and a pissing contest at this point. Brooks wants to stay.
 
Regardless of age Nash is an upgrade for the Lakers, on offense at least. Other good news is that he fit into our Traded Player Exception and so we didn't have to give up any players (namely Pau) for him. He will likely see and uptick in his scoring next season, but my hope is that his assists will not go down. Good thing about Nash is that he is still good in the open court as well as the half court.

Bad news is that Nash has never been much of a defender and he is 38 years old.

Those two first rounders in '14 and '15 had better be lottery protected. Overall, I'm not mad about it but by the same token I'm also not yet planning a vacation day next June for the parade.
 
Well our point guard situation was totally FUBAR'd after we lost Fisher.

It is now less FUBAR'd.

First and second rounders in 2013 (plus the other two picks later) for a 38 year old PG seems pretty hefty, but Nash is definitely a great player and will help immediately, if not for long.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top