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2011-12 pilot buzz thread

Also, the networks should try out more SFF shows that are episodic rather than fully serliazed, since episodic shows generally have a better shot at success on broadcast television.
I hope not. Episodic television has run its course. Serialization is the way to go anymore. It affords the writers a chance to develop a story and shake up the status quo.

Serialized dramas have been quite successful on broadcast tv for decades--Dallas, St Elsewhere, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy etc. The key is good writing, interesting characters and compelling storylines. One thing I will concede is sff shows in recent years thanks to LOST became unnecessarily complex and unwieldy--where viewers needed notes, Wiki, 10 minute recaps to follow a story, where the viewers have to wait years for payoff, where the shows are too subtle that you have to watch it ten times to make the connections, or where viewers needed producers to explain stuff offscreen in Q&As, interviews or podcasts that should have been made clear onscreen.

Any new sff drama needs to be linear with a modest ensemble, a few manageable season long storylines that don't have to necessarily be connected and dovetail the way LOST or S1 of Heroes were designed. Afterall the successful primetime dramas I mentioned would take the cast, break them down into groups and place them in independent season long arcs. They'd also be wise to pull back a bit on the dizzying pacing that seems to be the norm anymore--to the point where you haven't had a chance to take what just happened they have moved on full speed ahead to something else.
 
I hope not. Episodic television has run its course.
I don't think either format will ever run its course. There's room for both and there are certain types of series that are better suited to one over the other. Plus there's the middle way option of shows that are largely episodic, but which have light arcs. In terms of SFF programming, I'd like to see both heavily serialized shows and light action adventure shows that use a more episodic format.
 
Personally, my issue with serialization is that some writers/producers think that serializing something involves dragging out plot threads that could be wrapped up in one episode over the course of a season, instead of having each episode be more like a chapter of a book, just with self-contained beginning, middle, and end. BSG season 1 managed to get that right, but with shows like SGU, you've got the beginning, middle, and end of the season, and everything else just feels superfluous because nothing progresses until those three parts of the season.
 
I hope not. Episodic television has run its course.
I don't think either format will ever run its course. There's room for both and there are certain types of series that are better suited to one over the other.
Yes sitcoms for instance are suited for the episodic format(although Roseanne at times was effective in doing arcs) but most other shows benefit from being serialized otherwise the writers just fall back on the old chestnuts but just plug in new characters which leads to very formulaic predictable episodes.

Episodic storytelling has been around for decades and by this point it has been my experience that older shows mastered and did it very well. Shows that try doing it now either make the episodes feel very recycled with a "been there done that" feel. That's why I simply don't find cop/lawyer/hospital shows interesting any more--you've seen one you've pretty much seen them all. Then take for instance TOS and TNG really did great seasons of nothing but such standalones. But VOY and ENT ended up recycling those and their standalones were dull. DS9 and ENT came into their own only when they transitioned over to serialization with the Occupation Arc, Circle trilogy, Final Chapter, Xindi arc.

Arcs force the writers to carve out their own unique identity in my opinion and help infuse some unpredictability and risks into storytelling that episodes really can't do.

Same goes for The X-Files--a wonderful series that made original standalone stories its bread and better. But shows like Fringe attempt to do standalones don't work because the writers really have no idea how to add a new spin on them to make them fresh. Only when they focus on their myth does it seem like a fresh exciting show.
Plus there's the middle way option of shows that are largely episodic, but which have light arcs.
The middle ground is probably the worst of the three options. I don't know about anyone else but if you are going to arcs and serialization I'd rather all episodes be arc-based and all episodes focus on that core material in dealing with it and advancing it.

I loved DS9's arcs. But it frustrated me to no end when they would set aside the Dominion War and do a series of one-offs. It just ruins the momentum. 9 times out of 10 the standalone stuff can't hold a candle to the more engrossing arc stuff and the worse thing you can do is pull away from it when you are on a roll and the viewer wants the new installment to see what happens next. This has led to the whole idea of "filler" in my opinion. Who wants to watch episodes "Extinction", "North Star", "Doctors Orders", "E2" when you are in the middle of the Xindi arc-who wants to have to wait another week or two weeks or 2 months to get back to it. Who wants to watch a lot of S3 and S4 episodes in BSG like "Day in the Life"that were standalones-those were the weakest. And which BSG season is constantly said to be its best--S1 no surprise a heavily serialized tightly written arc with no real filler.

There's a reason people stopped being frustrated with LOST in S3,4 and 5--the show stopped dicking around and started furiously moving the story full steam ahead with heavy serialization, no stalling filler episodes like "how Jack got his tatto" and made sure every thread each episode was dedicated was in service of the arcs.

Another example that shows if you are going to do arcs then be all serialized is Fringe--ask most fans and they'll tell you the show has a terrible habit every season of being uneven because of its tendency to dabble with a couple of great myth episodes then force on us stale one-offs that the writers try to peripherally make relevant to the bigger arc.
Personally, my issue with serialization is that some writers/producers think that serializing something involves dragging out plot threads that could be wrapped up in one episode over the course of a season, instead of having each episode be more like a chapter of a book, just with self-contained beginning, middle, and end. BSG season 1 managed to get that right,
Agreed. BSG S1, S1 of Heroes in the sff genre, many seasons of Dallas/St Elsewhere/Melrose Place 1.0 illustrate how to do season long arcs with no filler that manage to introduce a series of arcs that are resolved within the year and aren't dragged out frustratingly for years with either a weak pay-off or none at all.

I think the reason many don't care for recent serialization is that it was too complicated to follow and the mythology was poorly handled after years of investment. By going back to a more traditional format of serialization with fewer characters, more manageable threads that you have to resolve by the end of the season before launching into another one next year people are more satisfied--the story has time to develop over a year so it isn't wrapped up too soon yet it doesn't drag on where you get frustrated by the constant delays.
 
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Yes sitcoms for instance are suited for the episodic format(although Roseanne at times was effective in doing arcs) but most other shows benefit from being serialized otherwise the writers just fall back on the old chestnuts but just plug in new characters which leads to very formulaic predictable episodes.
Both formats can still be entertaining in my opinion. It depends on the skill of the writers. That goes for the middle ground option, too. I agree that Fringe is much better in its arc episodes than in its standalone episodes, but then you have the counter-example of Supernatural, which has handled both elements well. Light action adventure shows using an episodic format, with or without light story arcs, are something I'd still like to see in the mix alongside heavily serialized shows. There are certainly ready examples of both formats done badly in recent years, but both can still be done well in the right hands.
 
Demand for TV ad time has rebounded. This could make programmers more daring in their picks for next fall. They'll already have the cash in hand even if they have to make up for ratings shortfalls later. I doubt the downward trend will be reversed, regardless of new show quality.

Dunno why but AVG blocked those links for me and Hitman Pro detected a threat.

Weird, thewrap is a legit site and has never caused me problems. I'll keep an eye on them! :klingon:

Episodic television has run its course.
It'll be around for a good, long time. There's a big market for episodic cop, lawyer and doctor shows, as well as sitcoms. But sf/f genre audiences seem to be more inclined towards the serialized structure than the general audience.
Personally, my issue with serialization is that some writers/producers think that serializing something involves dragging out plot threads that could be wrapped up in one episode over the course of a season, instead of having each episode be more like a chapter of a book, just with self-contained beginning, middle, and end. BSG season 1 managed to get that right, but with shows like SGU, you've got the beginning, middle, and end of the season, and everything else just feels superfluous because nothing progresses until those three parts of the season.
The problem with SGU is that it's badly written. Being episodic isn't going to fix that problem. The solution is for Stargate to get new writers and producers because the old ones have never been a particularly inspired bunch, certainly not in recent years.

New CW Prez gets ambitious.

"I hope to bring some of the relationships I've built up in creative community back to the network," Pedowitz says. "I do hope [Everwood creator] Greg Berlanti comes back. And I do hope people like [Lost's] Damon Lindelof would want to do something here."
More on the horserace at CW.

Though real estate is limited come fall, multiple sources say The Secret Circle and Heavenly pilots look to be strong contenders for next season’s schedule. Pedowitz has already read the net's pilot scripts and says he will begin delving into the process later on Thursday.

Uh oh, might not be looking good for our sexy teen zombies! :mad:
 
Both formats can still be entertaining in my opinion. It depends on the skill of the writers. That goes for the middle ground option, too. I agree that Fringe is much better in its arc episodes than in its standalone episodes, but then you have the counter-example of Supernatural, which has handled both elements well.
I really don't feel Supernatural is a good example. The show hasn't handled its plot elements all that well. S1 did do standalones well but after that they started treating their standalones as a means to an end. The episodes began to feel like a patchwork of different things all stitched together-most being a mixed bag. The seasons became wildly uneven with only a brief mention or only the last act advancing the arc plot--the rest of the episode had a stale supernatural plot, predictable danger towards the three-quarter mark where the guys are in jeopardy but no one believes it so you go through the motions--"The REal Ghostbusters", "Changing Channels", "Swap Meat", "Sam, Interrupted", "Yellow Fever", "Metamorphosis", "Bad Day at Black Rock" etc. Then they do comedy and meta commentary episodes that undermine its dramatic gravitas. Again look at the show's best episodes each season and they are always the arc heavy ones. S5's highlights were "Swan Song", "Abandon All Hope", "My Bloody Valentine", "No Rest For the Wicked". "In the Beginning", It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester", "Lazarus Rising" etc. And it is no coincidence that S4 which was much more arc based than any other season is the show's best.

The last series that did a mixed format well in my opinion was The X-Files and they succeeded because the myth wasn't a big deal and the standalones were entertaining and I'd argue it was mostly an episodic show really.
Though real estate is limited come fall, multiple sources say The Secret Circle and Heavenly pilots look to be strong contenders for next season’s schedule. Pedowitz has already read the net's pilot scripts and says he will begin delving into the process later on Thursday.

Uh oh, might not be looking good for our sexy teen zombies! :mad:
I have high hopes for The Secret Circle--Kevin Williamson is behind it and has a solid cast. Williamson is behind TVD which has been the only consistently entertaining show on broadcast tv all season.
 
The Secret Circle sounds like it'd be a good companion for The Vampire Diaries (no surprise given that they're from the same producer). I'm expecting it to get picked up and given the time slot Nikita is currently in, with the latter show either being cancelled or moved to another time slot if renewed (perhaps to Friday nights with Supernatural).

I really don't feel Supernatural is a good example. The show hasn't handled its plot elements all that well. S1 did do standalones well but after that they started treating their standalones as a means to an end. The episodes began to feel like a patchwork of different things all stitched together. The seasons became wildly uneven with only a brief mention or only the last act advancing the arc plot--the rest of the episode had a stale supernatural plot, predictable danger towards the three-quarter mark where the guys are in jeopardy but no one believes it so you go through the motions.
With the exception of those episodes that were too much of a direct rip-off of well-known horror films, I think Supernatural has had a lot of good standalone episodes. Different strokes.

The last series that did a mixed format well in my opinion was The X-Files and they succeeded because the myth wasn't a big deal and the standalones were entertaining.
I disagree that the myth arcs weren't a big deal. They were a very important part of the series. That aspect of the show eventually fell apart, but fortunately the standalone episodes continued to be of a high quality.
 
I'd hate to have the last name Pedowitz, especially in today's climate.

Stay away from the Jewish child molester!

No offense to anybody named Pedowitz here on the BBS.
 
The Secret Circle sounds like it'd be a good companion for The Vampire Diaries (no surprise given that they're from the same producer). I'm expecting it to get picked up and given the time slot Nikita is currently in, with the latter show either being cancelled or moved to another time slot if renewed (perhaps to Friday nights with Supernatural).

You would think The Secret Circle would be paired up with Supernatural.
 
If Nikita stays it will most likely end up after ANTM or on Tues...not before/after SPN. Awakening(zombies) will be paired up with SPN. Given Nikita & Hellcats numbers in the demo...they are both goners.
 
The last series that did a mixed format well in my opinion was The X-Files and they succeeded because the myth wasn't a big deal and the standalones were entertaining.
I disagree that the myth arcs weren't a big deal. They were a very important part of the series. That aspect of the show eventually fell apart, but fortunately the standalone episodes continued to be of a high quality.
How often did they do the myth shows--season premiere, Feb sweeps and season finale--so what 4 or 5 episodes out of 26. They were more Event episodes from my point of view.
 
I'd hate to have the last name Pedowitz, especially in today's climate.

Stay away from the Jewish child molester!

No offense to anybody named Pedowitz here on the BBS.

We've finally found a worse name than Lipschitz!!! :rommie:

The Secret Circle sounds like it'd be a good companion for The Vampire Diaries (no surprise given that they're from the same producer).
Oh yeah, it's a lock. But I'd also like to get a chance to see the sexy teen zombies. :D I'd pair up The Secret Circle andThe Vampire Diaries, and pair Supernatural with Awakenings. Heavenly sounds too CBS-ish to really fit CW well.
 
How often did they do the myth shows--season premiere, Feb sweeps and season finale--so what 4 or 5 episodes out of 26. They were more Event episodes from my point of view.
They typically accounted for about a quarter of the episodes. The myth episodes were often two-parters and The X-Files mostly had seasons of 22-24 episodes. In any event, they were very important in hooking viewers and getting people talking about the show, especially in the those early seasons.
 
CW I am looking at...

90210/Gossip Girl
One Tree Hill/Hart Of Dixie or Heavenly
Americas Next Top Model/Copper & Stone or Danni Lowinksi
The Vampire Diaries/The Secret Circle
Awakening/Supernatural

Assuming Nikita & Hellcats are both goners.
 
Dylan McDermott co-stars in FX's big fat mystery project.

In American Horror Story, the Practice alum will star opposite Connie Britton and Jessica Lange. The premise of the project is kept under wraps, but a breakdown for the pilot listed two main characters: Ben Harmon (McDermott), a handsome and masculine but sensitive therapist who loves his family but has hurt his wife, and Vivien Harmon (Britton), his gorgeous wife who is a force to be reckoned with. Lange plays their nosy neighbor, a role that has been beefed-up after her casting.

So is he McDreamy or McSteamy? I always get those two mixed up...

The weird thing about American Horror Story is that I can't even tell if it's going to be a "horror story" or they're just being all metaphorical and crap.

I hope it's a real horror story, tho...
 
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