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2011-12 pilot buzz thread

Hope springs eternal. My hunch is that NBC (with their new Comcast overlords) will clean house and gamble that their darkest days are over. Big ratings all around!

Let's bring back Seinfeld and Friends too!
Every network tries to bring back Friends every season. There's a huge number of friend-based sitcoms again this year. I haven't mentioned them because none of them sound even remotely interesting due to extreme interchangeability (Bitch in Apt 23 sounds like the best of the bunch). Overall, network comedies are worse off than drama, probably because the FCC restrictions are a bigger handicap for comedy than drama.
 
Meaning Chuck & The Event are gone...seriously all these shows suck...NBC has a lot of work to do. :lol:
 
NBC being bought by Comcast is bad news for Chuck. New bosses will want to make their mark. But fears of the NFL lockout may save it. The buzz on NBC drama would have to be very bad for NBC to hang onto it. It will be particularly important to hear about the shows in Chuck's category: 17th Precinct, REM, Reconstruction and Grimm.
 
NBC is a joke...If Wonder Woman makes it...that is the only thing I will be watching on that freaking network. :)
 
NBC is a joke now, but every new pilot season is a new opportunity for change. If even a couple shows are good, that would put NBC ahead of everyone else. Network TV in general is a joke.

NBC should roll the dice with this whole lineup: Wonder Woman, Smash, REM, 17th Precinct, Grimm, Reconstruction, Playboy, Brave New World, plus I'm sure they'll add in some non-fantasy cop shows like Prime Suspect and a glut of sitcoms. In that mass, there's gotta be a couple shows worth watching! Right? :D
 
Chuck - 4.20 million & 1.3/4

Is nothing to be proud about. And you really missed my point. :techman:
It's a lousy rating for Chuck to be sure, but you said The Cape was getting higher ratings, which isn't the case and what I was correcting. I got your point. I just disagree with it. The Cape saw its ratings sink so low so fast that there's no salvaging it.
 
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My bad...I just saw the ratings for Chuck today and remember it being similar to The Cape...I should have chose my words more carefully...I remember The Cape doing better than The Event and being around the same as Chuck now...clearly I am wrong. :(
 
They've been dropping the ball on alot of there shows whatever genre it might be in. As for primetime dramas, while desperately trying to produce the next Lost or Heroes, or regurtating L&O over and over again, why not look at what AMC or FX are doing and attempt to create a quality show, but for network standards. Or screw network standards and dare to be bold for once and just try to push the envelope a bit on their programming. I guess that's a lot to ask for out of NBC. They've been on the right track with shows like The West Wing or Friday Night Lights, the latter not really been given alot of love, but why not make more stuff like that?
 
TV pretty much sucks. I don't think television has ever been in such a pitiful state. They bring in crap, it gets canned usually without finishing its 13 episodes, then is replaced by more crap the next year that sucks and gets canned. Even shows I used to enjoy are long in the teeth and need to end like Chuck or Supernatural.

I'm tired of the same old "cops/lawyer/hospital/inane sitcoms". All the stories are recycled or worse actually resurrected shows like the upcoming Charlie's Angels or in years' past 90210, Melrose Place, Hawaii 5-0, Knight Rider, Bionic Woman. The writing is weak. Thanks to the likes of V, FlashForward, The Event, Invasion, Heroes networks probably won't take a gamble on serialized dramas meaning more procedural shows and episodic television. So I've tried to give cable shows a shot since I so desperately want something worthwhile to watch but most of them are nicely produced but pretentious glacially paced bores like Mad Men, the now defuncted Rubicon, The Walking Dead, STARZ' Merlin or aren't my cup of tea like The Borgias. Then there is SyFy with their "original" programming being pretty lacklustre over the last several years i.e. Caprica, Flash Gordon, Haven, Being Human, SGA, SGU, Sanctuary.

Maybe next season will turn out to be a renaissance for tv but I'm not holding out much hope. I think tv's best days are behind it. You can even tell by how little activity there is in the tv fora--you can barely get a thread going--not like when LOST, nBSG, season one of Heroes or ENT was on.

And to not go too off topic the creep has set in in filmmaking, music, news programming.
 
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If Mad Men was on NBC it would make no money and get canceled in 5 episodes.

NBC tried with Kings and it failed. However NBC needs to have ads on other networks because ads on NBC are useless, no one is watching.
 
Pretty much anything associated with NBC sucks-SyFy, MSNBC etc. I guess USA is pretty successful but I'm not interested in the all day every day marathons of NCIS, L&O SVU then those same old cop/spy shows at night that the channel is littered with.
 
Remember the days of yore for the USA Network when they had great programming like Silk Stockings? Really the only show that was ever a true breakout hit for them was Monk.
 
Remember the days of yore for the USA Network when they had great programming like Silk Stockings? Really the only show that was ever a true breakout hit for them was Monk.
I loved Silk Stalkings. And remember UP! All Night with Rhonda Shear and Gilbert Gottfried showing those really campy films but I enjoyed it. Now it is just so bland.

Honestly most of these cable channels could go away and no one would care--G4, OWN, WE, MTV2, VH1, TRU, SPIKE, Oxygen, SyFy, E! They show the same episode over and over all week because they simply don't have the programming to sustain a 24/7 channel and rarely does it even air programs that fit with their original creation.
 
why not look at what AMC or FX are doing and attempt to create a quality show, but for network standards.
The holdup isn't networks' inability to show sex and violence. It's that AMC and FX have revenue from basic cable subscriptions, which gives them the luxury of shorter seasons and shows that are more precisely focused on a certain niche audience because they don't need 10M to survive or even close to that.

Network TV's business model being ad-based means they are forced to program for mass tastes. Even when a show is interesting and different by network standards, the odds are, it won't appeal to a broad enough audience since what makes a show interesting is usually that it doesn't try to appeal to everyone.

I can use myself as an example of arbitrary cruelty of niche audiences. I love The Walking Dead, Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad, but I've bailed on Mad Men, because it's "boring" to me. Yet those shows are all the same sort of thing: complex, serialized and sophisticated. Why is Mad Men the odd man out? Even I don't know. That's a niche taste for ya. :rommie:

Now imagine a network trying to parse shows that finely and yet get an audience of 10M or more. No wonder they just keep throwing cop shows at us.

Remember the days of yore for the USA Network when they had great programming like Silk Stockings? Really the only show that was ever a true breakout hit for them was Monk.
USA has a full roster of shows in that vein - lightweight, character-based adventure/dramedies. I don't much care for that style, but I can't fault them for finding a niche that is large enough to support a roster of shows and sticking to that like a lamprey. That's really the way for basic cable networks to thrive.

I'm just hoping AMC will realize that their niche is "sophisticated and serialized" on any topic. They gambled with The Walking Dead and it worked. That show does pair up well with Mad Men and Breaking Bad when you just ignore the vastly different subject matter and focus on the approach all those shows take. I'd love to see an AMC space opera and more historical dramas, pre-1950 (they've got one coming: Hell on Wheels, about the 19th C railroads). They should jump on that show I heard about that is "Deadwood with pirates."
 
Yeah I remember Up! All Night as well. That was my first exposure to some Troma films.

Temis- I didn't exactly mean niche programming per se. I'm sure there is a middle ground that the network can find in those kinds of programming, whether serialized or episodic. I guess it's easier said than done. Maybe things will turn around for them once The Dark Tower makes its way to television. That's still being produced by Universal right?
 
I dunno, I think networks are too desperate just to survive to take a risk on programming for anything but mass tastes. A middle ground approach means they're not shooting for the largest possible audience, and even when they do, they usually fail, and they're failing more often all the time. Lost managed to pull it off, but the ground is littered with the corpses of failed Lost clones, so I suspect that was a one-off.

I think The Dark Tower is a miniseries, telling part of a story in between the movies? So that's another outlier - networks have given up on miniseries. In fact, HBO seems to be the only place they appear anymore.

But to enliven the gloom, I'm personally excited about Falling Skies which will debut on TNT on June 19! Maybe TNT can develop a niche of AMC-style shows, but not so highfalutin.

And I'm kinda getting into The Borgias. When I've caught up on the episodes, I'll start a thread.
 
The Dark Tower is actually supposed to be a long running TV show, but no one really knows how it will work with the movies.

I think the whole thing will be a disaster and never fully get made.
 
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