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  1. johnnybear

    johnnybear Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yeoman Barrows probably transferred off the Enterprise soon after the episode that or she went unseen on the ship for a while before they offloaded her!
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  2. MAGolding

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    There were plenty of references to money, free enterprise, and capitalism in TOS. It was in the era of TNG that a money less society was depicted. The first mention that they didn't use money was in Star trek IV:The Voyage Home, which was inconsistently established as being 15 years after season one of TOS by Star trek II:The Wrath of Khan, and 20 years after the first season of TOS by Star trek V:The Final Frontier.

    That gives about 15 to 20 years after "Shore Leave" for the perfection of replicators and other technologies to cause a social revolution and the abolishing of money and at least poverty.
     
  3. Christopher

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    It would take longer than that. I take Kirk's line in TVH to mean merely that they don't use physical currency in his time, that all money is in the form of electronic credit, which is consistent with the references to credits in "Catspaw," "Mirror, Mirror," "The Trouble with Tribbles," and "Mudd's Passion." (Interesting that they use credits in the Mirror Universe too.)

    And First Contact made it clear that Earth abolished poverty by the 2110s (within 50 years after 2063). You can have money without poverty, as long as the economy is designed to support everyone instead of just the rich. In fact, poverty is expensive for a society; it's increasingly being found that it's more economical for cities to give homeless people free housing and services than it is to spend money prosecuting them for vagrancy, treating them for the illnesses and drug addiction that result from homelessness, etc. And of course a capitalist economy works best when all its citizens have money to spend on stuff. Poverty isn't a built-in feature of capitalism, it's an inefficiency and imbalance that keeps capitalism from working as well as it can.
     
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  4. Steven P Bastien

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    Why not? He is a doctor. He is handsome. He is a gentleman. He is brave. He is basically kind and ethical. And, he is funny as all hell when he gets aggravated. In some novels, he and Barrows renew their relationship twice and eventually get married.
     
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  5. Greg Cox

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    I always thought Bones and Barrows had more chemistry than Bones ever had with his "wife" in "For The World is Hollow," etc. Probably McCoy's most believable love interest over the course of the series.
     
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  6. Phaser Two

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    Well, out of two, though, right?
     
  7. Maurice

    Maurice Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    Things haven't changed that much. Look at all the sitcoms in the past 2 decades were some chubby schlubby guy has a fashion model wife.
     
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  8. Christopher

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    Three -- Nancy Crater, Yeoman Barrows, and Natira.
     
  9. Steven P Bastien

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    I'm just waiting for the McCoy loving women of this forum to come in and rip this topic to shreds.
     
  10. Phaser Two

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    Oops, yes. I think I forgot her because the relationship was long over and because, oh yes, she was a salt vampire.
     
  11. Kor

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    Speaking of which, should Kirk and co. have tried to do more to preserve that last remaining survivor of the salt monster species instead of summarily wiping it out? :shifty:

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  12. Christopher

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    Early installement weirdness. Later in the season, once Gene Coon was on staff, they would have.
     
  13. Marsden

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    Because that never happens, all the models are married to bodybuilders.
     
  14. Maurice

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    I'm not sure if you're being glib or not, but it doesn't happen as regularly as it does on TV.
     
  15. Kor

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    I've known plenty of long-term relationships in which one partner stayed in svelte shape and the other, uh... didn't.

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  16. Delta Vega

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    Nah, not having the novels thing.
     
  17. Kor

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    Perhaps you could explain what exactly is so unappealing about McCoy.

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  18. Steven P Bastien

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    That's fine. I'm glad you accepted the other part where I imply McCoy is a not too shabby a guy who could attract a pretty woman on occasion. :)
     
  19. ZapBrannigan

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    I agree with that, especially since he's a doctor, he has rank, he's presentable, and has some personality, which counters his being 13 years older than Barrows. But he also has the advantage of her limited options: she's assigned to a very small landing party. Even so, she might consider that to be her advantage, and that McCoy is a catch.
     
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  20. Marsden

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    Sorry, not trying to be argumentative, just there are model + not particularly attractive guy combos, but ok, I don't have statistics to compare tv to non tv, plus it's far too subjective for any meaningful measurement.