10 Starship "Holy Grails"

[Dukhat]

Here is the photo of the Mars Defense drone. As I said before, it's disappointing, but it is the first photo we've ever seen of the model:

https://i.imgur.com/2G0BdKy.jpeg

Here also is the link to the photos of the free-floating GCS nacelle from BoBW. It lists it as coming from Deep Space Nine, but I've matched the damage patterns to the BoBW screencaps.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/star-trek-ds9-federation-starship-107940283

 

[137th Gebirg]

The Mars drone looks like it’s using either Ambassador- or New Orleans-style nacelle pylons. They’re swept back in a similar fashion.

 

[publiusr]

Flipped Galaxy class model?

Ent-C nacelle pylon moldings?
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/ambassador/entc-bottom.jpg

Prominent phaser strips on the nacelle supports matches that of the drone pretty well?

—turn it upside down and mount it in place of the Red October/Typhoon sail…with Los Angles subs in place of the TNG nacelles.

Now, ILM also did Red October as well, right?

P.S.
The Typhoon had a different aft than the model
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/typhoon-akula-ssbn-design.41977/

 

[Dukhat]

Sternbach once mentioned that the pylons for the drone were scratchbuilt by him from sheet styrene. So unless his memory is faulty about a model he built himself, it’s not a part from any other model. Plus the Ambassador model kit wasn’t available at the time of filming.

 

[Dukhat]

Here are some better pics of the free-floating GCS nacelle from "BoBW":

http://startrekpropcollector.com/trekauctions/item.pl?i=9989

 

[Dukhat]

Small update:

9. Several kitbashing rounds were done for DS9’s “A Time to Stand” for wrecked background ships in the ‘Frankenstein’ fleet at the start of the episode. Are there any photos of other DS9 kitbashes built besides the ones we already know of?

So, not a ship per se, but definitely a kitbash. Apparently a hangar model was built for the Regula 1/Starbase 375 model where the stolen Jem'Hadar fighter was docked in "A Time to Stand" containing parts from three Maquis raiders, Runabout parts, the aft end of a Reliant kit, and the top half of Darth Vader's TIE fighter!

https://propstoreauction.com/lot-de...3048?uact=5&aid=347&lid=113049&current_page=0

 

[137th Gebirg]

Very cool find!

 

[Albertese]

https://propstoreauction.com/lot-de...3048?uact=5&aid=347&lid=113049&current_page=0

I'm not sure I trust the lot description that this was originally part of the TMP drydock and was also used for ST2. I suppose it could have been, with the entire left wall needing to be rebuilt for some reason, but, except for the Darth Vader TIE Fighter, ALL of the kits used to greeble the left wall are from kits tooled in the 90s. I expect it was originally built for DS9. But if there is documentation of it existing in an earlier form in 1979, I'd love to see it!

--Alex

 

[Tosk]

I'm not sure I trust the lot description that this was originally part of the TMP drydock and was also used for ST2. I suppose it could have been, with the entire left wall needing to be rebuilt for some reason, but, except for the Darth Vader TIE Fighter, ALL of the kits used to greeble the left wall are from kits tooled in the 90s. I expect it was originally built for DS9. But if there is documentation of it existing in an earlier form in 1979, I'd love to see it!

--Alex

I agree. The dimensions of the X don't even match, so if this was somehow made for TMP, then at least two of the walls have been replaced completely. The background details of the interior of the X don't match TMP/TWOK/DS9 either.

containing parts from three Maquis raiders, Runabout parts, the aft end of a Reliant kit, and the top half of Darth Vader's TIE fighter!

And a modern car fender glued to the underside of the front of the Runabout!

 

[Dukhat]

Comparing these pics to screencaps of the hangar from ‘A Time to Stand,’ many of the details don’t match up. The hangar in the episode looks more like how it looked in TWOK (especially the X at the end) than it does on this model. I also don’t see the runabout end or the support beams. Perhaps this was built for some other Regula-type space station on DS9 but was never used?

 

[David cgc]

The greebles on the walls and the swiss-cheese support beams seem to match. The runabout would be out of frame, and as for the "X," it's a still composite, they could've replaced the back wall with a photo of the transparency from the original space station model because the added detail made it look too different in the final shot, or the end in this model could've been made after-the-fact to add in more detail.

 

[Dukhat]

The greebles on the walls and the swiss-cheese support beams seem to match. The runabout would be out of frame, and as for the "X," it's a still composite, they could've replaced the back wall with a photo of the transparency from the original space station model because the added detail made it look too different in the final shot, or the end in this model could've been made after-the-fact to add in more detail.

Ah ok. I was looking at this screencap, where the details don't quite match:

https://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/6x01/atimetostand_335.jpg

 

[David cgc]

Oh, yeah, that's just the regular (Regula?) old model, the new one was only used for the close-up.

 

[137th Gebirg]

The funny thing about it is the orientation they had the Jem Bug docked in there, if you take both screen caps into account, both Jadzia and Julian are standing out in space looking in!

 

[Yaroze86]

3. All of the models and wreckage from the Wolf 359 battle scene from BoBW have been identified, except for one small object that appears three times, first between the Chekov and the Kyushu in the opening shot, then underneath the saucer of the Princeton in the viewscreen shot, and finally underneath the Enterprise-D’s saucer in the final shot. What is this last unidentified object in the Wolf 359 graveyard?

- So in BoBW, On the below picture, under the Melbourne, there is a ship. It looks very close to the USS Ahwahnee, but it appears to be a 2 nacelle version (retaining the upper nacelles only). While I can not disprove that it is or is not the Ahwahnee, it is not where you would expect it to be in relation to all earlier shot. You would expect it to be near the right side of the Buran and not the Melbourne.
wolf359-6-2a.jpg (871×652) (ex-astris-scientia.org)

- The ship between is the Chekov and Princeton IMO one of 2 things. I reuse of the Sarek shuttle model or the Freedom Class (though its damage does not exactly match up),.

5. All of the foreground models at the Qualor II surplus depot have been identified, except for a relatively large saucer-like ship that doesn’t look like anything we’ve seen before. What is this object and where did it come from?

I think the USS Liberator's shuttle is actually within the Qualor II debris field. To the right of the #7 Space Station
qualor2.jpg (840×630) (ex-astris-scientia.org)

7. What are the registry numbers of the ships in the Starship Deploy Status Okudagram in TNG’s “Measure of a Man?” Most of the numbers have just been guesses.

- I have put extensive effort into these on MA, grabbed the best screen capture I could of them and updated them. It's probably the best we are going to get on these. A lot of the registries changed. Most of these ships are not 3's but 5's. IMO, why have that display with 3XXXX registries anyways? Starship Deploy Status review. | The Trek BBS

8. What are the registry numbers of the ships in the database that Data accesses in TNG’s “Conspiracy?” Most of the numbers have just been guesses.

- I have put extensive effort into these on MA, grabbed the best screen capture I could of them and updated them. It's probably the best we are going to get on these. A lot of the registries changed. Almost every 8XXXX ship is a 6XXXX if not all.

As for the USS Bonstall, once it is damaged and flying across the screen, I think for this motion it is using the USS Vico model.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I've always puzzled over the "saucer" ship from Qualor II ever since I first saw it on TV back in '91. It definitely looks like a filming miniature taken from deep within someone's archives, likely used as a background ship for some kind of B-movie production that literally nobody remembers (likely why they used it). It does not look like a kitbash from existing parts used in any Trek model since the 60's that I can tell. It resembles nothing I've found from Lost in Space, Close Encounters, *Batteries Not Included, Cocoon, V, Battle Beyond the Stars, or anything else using a saucer ship.

 

[Dukhat]

- So in BoBW, On the below picture, under the Melbourne, there is a ship. It looks very close to the USS Ahwahnee, but it appears to be a 2 nacelle version (retaining the upper nacelles only). While I can not disprove that it is or is not the Ahwahnee, it is not where you would expect it to be in relation to all earlier shot. You would expect it to be near the right side of the Buran and not the Melbourne.
wolf359-6-2a.jpg (871×652) (ex-astris-scientia.org)

It's the Ahwahnee. You can only see the upper nacelles in that shot, but the BTS footage shown on the BoBW special BluRay show both sets of nacelles.

I think the USS Liberator's shuttle is actually within the Qualor II debris field. To the right of the #7 Space Station
qualor2.jpg (840×630) (ex-astris-scientia.org)

I'm pretty sure that's one of the Spacedock shuttles from STIII. I doubt they would have used the Liberator shuttle for this scene as they thought it was too gruesome even for BoBW.

- I have put extensive effort into these on MA, grabbed the best screen capture I could of them and updated them. It's probably the best we are going to get on these. A lot of the registries changed. Almost every 8XXXX ship is a 6XXXX if not all.

I've seen your Measure of a Man list, but not this list. Do you have a master list of the Conspiracy ships?

I've always puzzled over the "saucer" ship from Qualor II ever since I first saw it on TV back in '91. It definitely looks like a filming miniature taken from deep within someone's archives, likely used as a background ship for some kind of B-movie production that literally nobody remembers (likely why they used it). It does not look like a kitbash from existing parts used in any Trek model since the 60's that I can tell. It resembles nothing I've found from Lost in Space, Close Encounters, *Batteries Not Included, Cocoon, V, Battle Beyond the Stars, or anything else using a saucer ship.

I emailed Okuda about this back in the day. He thought it was something left over from the V miniseries. It does vaguely resemble a mothership, but there's too many other parts on it that don't.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yeah, I think that the resemblance on that thing ends with, "well, it's a saucer". The ones used in V (both the big one and the many little ones they made for the "behind the moon" shot) were a lot more rounded. In fact, aside from the outermost edges, they really didn't have a single hard edge/corner on it at all. The one at Qualor II has near-90° corners on it all over the place.

Unless...

Perhaps we're seeing the backside of the single-use "Particle Beam Triax" from the pilot episode of the failed V series (with that cap thing removed). Now that is possible. Very little is known about this one:

 

[Yaroze86]

I've seen your Measure of a Man list, but not this list. Do you have a master list of the Conspiracy ships?

USS Aleo NCC-1981
USS Equicon NCC-1988
USS James Fenimore Cooper NCC-4077
USS Omaha Nebraska NCC-5252
USS Nightwing NCC-6342
USS White Sands NAR-8227
USS Matte Fringe NCC-12622
USS Non Sequitur NCC-12628
USS Tranquillity Base NCC-18585
USS Minnow NCC-19585
USS Elmer Fudd NCC-25343
USS Max Planck NCC-28573
USS Endeavour NCC-39222
USS Copernicus NCC-55632
USS Discovery NCC-63748
USS Unicorn NCC-65117
USS Albert Einstein NCC-65123
USS Sherlock Holmes NCC-221-B
USS Puget Sound NCC-65343
USS Mustang NCC-65543
USS Callisto NCC-65616
USS Heart of Gold NCC-42
USS John F. Kennedy NCC-65133
USS Ganymede NCC-53451
USS Gremlin NCC-72922
USS Constellation NCC-55917
USS Ticonderoga NCC-32270
USS Tycho NCC-65183

 

[Dukhat]

Yeah, I think that the resemblance on that thing ends with, "well, it's a saucer". The ones used in V (both the big one and the many little ones they made for the "behind the moon" shot) were a lot more rounded. In fact, aside from the outermost edges, they really didn't have a single hard edge/corner on it at all. The one at Qualor II has near-90° corners on it all over the place.

Unless...

Perhaps we're seeing the backside of the single-use "Particle Beam Triax" from the pilot episode of the failed V series (with that cap thing removed). Now that is possible. Very little is known about this one:
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I don’t think that’s it. The Triax was more of a triangular shaped craft (as the name implies):

https://lhuissier-sf.blogspot.com/2017/03/le-triax-vaisseau-nucleaire-de-la-serie.html?m=1