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10 Episode Seaons vs. 26 Episodes

To me a filler would be an episode that

- is not an essential part of a larger story arc
- doesn't bring up any original concept
- doesn't tell us significantly more about a character
- generally just feels uninspired, formulaic, like the writers really didn't care and just had to make their deadline

I'll agree that's highly subjective though.
 
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It really depends on the show.
  • Discovery could benefit from a 20-episode season. Not 26, but more than just 13. Especially Seasons 1 and 3.
  • Picard would benefit from 13. 10 is too short.
  • Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks seem like they'd be fine at 10. They're not doing arcs.
  • Prodigy seems like it's doing 20. I think that's good because it's also arc-based and because this will help to get the show up to the point where Nickelodeon can play it every day faster. This is important because this show, more than the others, is where you'll get the new Trekkies from.

Interesting, I would say the reverse, that episodic shows flourish more on longer seasons whereas serial shows thrive more on a shorter format. Lost, for example, would have benefited from having 16 episode seasons the whole way instead of the first three being 24. But Lower Decks could easily do a 20 episode season without running out of material.
 
But Lower Decks could easily do a 20 episode season without running out of material.
Lower Decks, with its different style of episodes, probably. They can riff whatever they want.

Strange New Worlds has the challenge of: what stories can it tell that TOS, TNG, and VOY haven't? Or, if they can't cover something that wasn't already covered in TOS, TNG, or VOY, how can they do it differently so it feels like it's bringing something to the table? The first two seasons of ENT still had the TOS/TNG/VOY Formula and by the second season it looked like that format was seriously tapped out. A show in its second season should NOT feel like it's on its last legs. Something was wrong. We'll see how much has changed in the last two decades under a different creative team.

I have yet to be sure if the format itself was worn out in the early-2000s, or if it was just the execution of the format, or if it was really just down to the people in charge.
 
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I forced myself to finish Discovery S1. Some episodes were brilliant (Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad) and some were indescribably boring.
I lost interest after 2 eps of S2.
I've lost interest in a number of shows, that despite being popular just stopped appealing to me anymore. I think tight serialization does not help in those cases. OTOH, having an overarching plot helps to keep the show in line.
For me, I think 13-15 episodes, especially if they are shorter like Lower Decks, is better than 8-10. 20+ is simply way too much.
 
I miss the longer seasons. Waiting over a year until the next season seems like a long time. It was nice to only wait a few months. I'm sure the actors prefer the shorter seasons though. They also can have a higher budget for effects with 10 episodes. What are your thoughts on this?

In terms of story content, people have conjured up the notion that fewer episodes means less filler and the story arcs can be tighter. That's not always true. "The Orville" season 2 had - what - three arcs, of which one ended abruptly, another went on far longer than it should, and I don't even recall the third. And they still make filler episodes like the grossly-overrated cell phone episode, which definitely feels like a toddlerized amalgamation of a couple TNG scripts but with nothing really innovative added (a first for the show, sadly), but at least we can all dance to it with the other 21st century people in it - and they act almost no differently than the Orville crew's allegedly 25th century time period. Whatever happened to season 3, the one that was still slated for 2021 release despite the cooties? (Looked up: It's March 2022... cool... will it be on their regular $10/mo plan or the $50/mo plan? Probably the latter as the cheap plan covers only the legacy library and not new material and the show isn't cheap to produce... I just looked that up, it's now $64 for the new stuff with ads or $71 without ads... Or rather, $69 or $75 respectively since prices are going up in December 2021 according to their site... https://help.hulu.com/s/article/how-much-does-hulu-cost )


Effects, great or otherwise, are pointless if the underlying story isn't all that good, nobody knows early on what read real good on paper translated into something great on screen, though nobody's going to complain over how much money they put into the f/x no matter what. But before I wander through digressionville, let's put this in an allegorical setting:

Bake two cakes - one has decent icing but made with the freshest and other most adjective-laden core ingredients. The other cake has really great adjective-laden icing but uses gone-off eggs, sour milk, years' old wheat, I'm sure you see where this should-be-cliche is going: The best icing ever isn't saving that cake that's not embracing your palette (but the bakery is loaded with all sorts of different confectioneries so it's not that big a deal, unless you get food poisoning.) But that cake with the great core ingredients seems a lot tastier with the best icing, though any icing can do. But if you're putting in an effort, go genuinely in and all the way if you can.

Or if you're at an age where CGI looks sweet. Like when "The Mind's Eye" VHS tape series of computer graphics came out and people gawked for the sake of it. Even those not addicted to acid/LSD/etc:

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I'd like more episodes in that I'd like more Star Trek, but if Discovery and Picard are going to keep these season long arcs up 13 is best. If Lower Decks and maybe Prodigy and Strange New Worlds went with more I wouldn't complain.
 
I can't believe I'm going to say this...

But doesn't the STAR TREK franchise and soap operas already have a LOT in common?

1. Evil twin brother appears.
2. Mixed heritage that makes the character an outsider.
3. Previously unknown family member comes up. (I'm looking directly at you, TNG season 7.)
4. Past lives.
5. Outbreak and cure made in a ridiculously fast manner.
6. Mafia appearances. (I think we can call the Orion Syndicate the 'space mafia'.)
7. Recast child characters.
8. Dead characters coming back to life. (EVERY lead character in the franchise up to ENT has died at least once, except for Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, and Ezri. I may be missing one or two, but those are off the top of my head.)


So maybe we should have a STAR TREK soap. That would be going... where it has... not gone... before? (I say this hesistantly because I genuinely have no idea if it has or not, as I have never seen any soaps. But the tropes are so well known even I know what they are.)
 
Soap opera name suggestions
Star Trek: General Holodeck
Star Trek: The Bolian and the Beautiful
Star Trek: The Young and the Bat’leth
Star Trek: All My Changelings
Star Trek: Guinan Light
Star Trek: Stardates of Our Lives
Star Trek: Weyoun Life to Live

And finally Star Trek: As the Worlds Turn.
 
I can't believe I'm going to say this...

But doesn't the STAR TREK franchise and soap operas already have a LOT in common?

1. Evil twin brother appears.
2. Mixed heritage that makes the character an outsider.
3. Previously unknown family member comes up. (I'm looking directly at you, TNG season 7.)
4. Past lives.
5. Outbreak and cure made in a ridiculously fast manner.
6. Mafia appearances. (I think we can call the Orion Syndicate the 'space mafia'.)
7. Recast child characters.
8. Dead characters coming back to life. (EVERY lead character in the franchise up to ENT has died at least once, except for Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, and Ezri. I may be missing one or two, but those are off the top of my head.)


So maybe we should have a STAR TREK soap. That would be going... where it has... not gone... before? (I say this hesistantly because I genuinely have no idea if it has or not, as I have never seen any soaps. But the tropes are so well known even I know what they are.)

Always assumed that the term 'space opera' was applied with this in mind.

Much as I loved DS9, it was prone to falling into soap opera territory more than other series- especially the depiction of the love and dating lives of Our Heroes sometimes took on a distinctly soapy aspect.
 
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I can definitely confirm that I would not love TNG the way I do if I wasn't a fan of 80s soap operas and the general 80s vibe (which TNG has plenty of). So yeah. Trek and soap operas have a lot in common, tropes and all. It's just that Trek is set in space and soap operas generally aren't... unless you want to count the infamous alien abduction at the end of season 2 of The Colbys... :lol:
 
I’d be interested to see a show in the Trek universe that was just a slice of life sitcom. No adventures. No life or death. Like Seinfeld in the 24th century. Aliens are there and dateable, and this is just normal.

You occasionally hear news of heroic adventures in the background and the main characters wave it off with sarcastic remarks and discuss the social nuances of dating the hot Klingon.
 
The shorter seasons mean fewer duds but also fewer outstanding episodes.

Thiugh I think it is not the length of season that is the cause, rather the nature of episodic vs serial shows. The serials always have some big mystery that you get a tiny piece of every week. Rarely (if ever) does a story get competed, thus it is hard to feel satisfied after an episode is over (LD does better here). They are serving plot more than character. Then where there is a big character moment in the show (Gray, Dr. Culver, Georgieau, etc) it rarely lands because there has not been the character spadework done.

The exceptions have been where a lot of that stuff has already been done (Sarek, Spock, Pike, Hugh, etc) and where the actor has just knocked it out of the park (Pill, Doug Jones, etc) or we spent some real time with the character first (Saru, Lorca, etc).

Hands down, I prefer all the episodic series to the serial ones. Am willing to eat some duds if I get a really good one every once in a while.
 
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