I dunno, I could of course be off but I don’t expect Lower Decks to come within striking range of Discovery. By all (limited) visible accounts, Discovery is doing well — just not as well as Picard’s premiere.
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I dunno, I could of course be off but I don’t expect Lower Decks to come within striking range of Discovery. By all (limited) visible accounts, Discovery is doing well — just not as well as Picard’s premiere.
As soon as Picard was announced, I expected it would get the most viewers. I would've been surprised if it didn't. The other series will probably get viewership numbers similar to Discovery. Even as subscriptions rise, I think DSC's viewership and other series' viewership will rise accordingly. But Picard will still be watched more than any of them, if only because of who's in it.
In fact, I've been counting on Picard being the reason for more subscriptions since that means more people will have CBS All Access and they won't be able to hide behind "I'm not going to pay for CBSAA!" if they have it now. And then maybe they'll try out other Star Trek series, including Discovery, because they might think, "I'm paying for it, so I might as well see what's on there!"
In fact, I've been counting on Picard being the reason for more subscriptions since that means more people will have CBS All Access and they won't be able to hide behind "I'm not going to pay for CBSAA!" if they have it now. And then maybe they'll try out other Star Trek series, including Discovery, because they might think, "I'm paying for it, so I might as well see what's on there!"
Plus his new show is executive produced by Alex Kurtzman too. So definitely didn't have a bad experience with him, which I'm sure some of the crazies have implied.
Comparing is also meaningless if they don't measure viewers the same way. Netflix's new formula for counting a "viewer" is whether they watched at least two minutes of something. This is a ridiculous way to measure.
I have watched a lot of crap on Netflix for two minutes or less. Please don’t count me as a viewer of that stuff
I am planning on getting around to catching Discovery now that I've got CBSAA...though what I've absorbed about it in these parts isn't very encouraging to me.
Just go into it with an open mind. A lot of people do like it. The first season isn't perfect but a lot of Trek shows take some time to really take off. There are quite a few interesting characters who get more fully fleshed out in the second season.
Most of the trailers are that long. Kinda seems like a cheat to me.I have watched a lot of crap on Netflix for two minutes or less. Please don’t count me as a viewer of that stuff
Seconding this. I honestly think, warts and all, that Discovery's first season may be the best of any Trek spinoff. The problem is that that isn't a terribly high bar to clear.
But by midway through the second season I've officially fallen in love.
It’s no Picard
It’s no Picard
Which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Both Picard and the Orville have and will get a more or less blanket pass for doing many of the things that Discovery is accused of doing because, quite simply, they aren't Discovery, while both the Orville and TNG offer the nostalgia that TNG fans think Star Trek should be about.
IMHO, just try it for yourself and like or dislike it for only your reasons. Don't let the always-0/10 or the always-10/10 folks sway.
Discovery is a prequel; the rules for prequels are different and a proper roadmap for it needs to be present since the franchise is having an era shoehorned in. Few people will give it a blanket pass, and most of them will drool and fawn with incessant 10/10 (or higher) scores for most if not all episodes.
Orville is an entirely different show that may have been influenced by Trek the same way Firefly was influenced by westerns and Blake's 7 but both Orville and Firefly are their own series and made their own without crutches in the end.
Fans can think about what Star Trek should be about in their own way. Heck, even a Trek movie was dedicated to the franchise's creator even though he had seen and hated it.
Orville deliberately uses many aspects of TNG to sell itself, including specific to Star Trek formulae, directors, Berman era actor cameos, the freaking credits, color-coded uniforms, beige sets and episodes meant to remind viewers of TNG episodes and what Star Trek was like in the late 80s early 90s. Its fans have called it the "True spirit of Star Trek" etc. It is not a vague western in space like Firefly was.
As long as The Old Mixer doesn't start calling it "STD", complain about Mary Sues, or cite Midnight's Edge as the Holy Gospel, I'll go easy on him.
Was a prequel. I'm looking forward to seeing the 32nd Century.
It's all relative though. DSC and PIC don't have to beat other streaming shows or broadcast shows produced by other studios or services. They just need to positively contribute to the growth and prosperity of CBSAA.
Right now, it's clear that both are doing their jobs. DSC was successful enough to cause CBS to invest in several more shows, including PIC...and now PIC is showing potential to be even more successful.
We just have to keep in mind that PIC is an anomaly. It has a massive advantage of
1. Catering to starving "TNG Era First" fans who haven't had anything they feel like is "their Star Trek" since 2002 (unfortunate, but very true...)
2. Having learned from the lessons of DSC
3. Returning a world-renowned actor to reprise his iconic, establishing role
This might never happen again in the franchise. Sure, you could bring back Worf or Janeway or whatever....but it is NEVER going to have the appeal as returning Patrick Stewart as Picard.
I'm not a fan of the show. But you need to try and forget everything you've read here before going into it. It is the only way to give the show a fair shake.
Right...there's lots of die-hards who like it, lots who despise it, and many who are just in-between.
And there isn't really even a pattern to it. In other words, it's not like you can say "all the TNG-era fans dislike it" or "all the TOS-era fans are turned off by it" or "If you liked the Kelvinverse stuff, you'll like this." It just seems like each individual either finds things about it that resonate or they don't regardless of their more general tastes.
I think there's very little way to predict if someone will like it until they've given it a shake.
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