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News Season 2 will be the last (show cancelled)

Re: Section 31:

Turtletrekker said:
But, yeah, there was no way in hell you were going to fit all of that into a 90-minute movie condensed from 10 hours of scripts.
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Fateor said:
Once they knew they were going to do a movie instead of a show they really should have done a full re-write instead of just cutting and pasting scenes from the 10 episode first season.
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At the very least, they could have let the people who were writing the TV show and had been developing the storylines and characters take a shot at writing the movie, but instead someone new who wasn't familiar with the concept was brought in to bash something together. The guy had a partial credit for an early episode of Discovery and that was his only Star Trek credit before Section 31, as far as I can tell.
 
I couldn't get into SFA enough to retain folk's names, didn't care for what little I saw of DIS and hated S31*. On the other hand, I loved LD, SNW and like what I've seen of PRO.

Maybe I just like something called good writing.

*only time I've ever turned something off the first time I watched it.
 
FederationHistorian said:
If the show was set shortly after PIC instead of after DIS, it might have been better received. As there's still a lot of affinity for that era. Instead, they tried to make the audience love a setting - the 32nd Century - that they either did not like or cared for. And had been clear about for years.
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Hence my misgivings. I believe that the show, a tough sell by any standard (due to its target demographic being Gen Z and Alpha), started out with a strike against it.
 
Dukhat said:
The only ‘fanbase’ who wanted Legacy were the minuscule amount of fans who even knew what Matalas said about it. Which wasn’t all that many, because most Star Trek fans don’t know about background esoteric stuff like that.
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That's only true if you treat "Legacy" as the specific proposal by Matalas instead of the general "new series" that was suggested at the end of Picard.
 
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Fateor said:
That's only true if you treat "Legacy" as the specific proposal by Matalas instead of the general "new series" that was suggested at the end of Picard.
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Still, Legacy would have had a stronger case than SFA. It used a mix of current and new characters, it was set in the most successful era, and people actually mentioned wanting it.
 
Oddish said:
Still, Legacy would have had a stronger case than SFA. It used a mix of current and new characters, it was set in the most successful era, and people actually mentioned wanting it.
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Quite right Oddish. Sometimes I think kurtzman picked the 32nd century by flipping the 23rd century number. For 930 years from SNW and STD the bridges look very similar to their kurtzman 23rd century counterparts. Nothings changed. Lol. Bad idea to move that far ahead. Other species starfleet has met moved past warp drive and had other tech like teleporters. To know we barley advance in the way we travel space in 900 years its hard to suspend disbelief. Best to have set a show in the 25th century. Kurtzman ruined the way tech advanced in trek because it all seems the same spanning 10 centuries. Unrealistic.
 
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The Wormhole said:
Honestly, even if we had gotten Legacy instead of SFA, it would likely still be getting cancelled right now anyway.
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When did "honestly" become a synonym for "factually"?

"Honestly, the purple objects in my household talk to me every day."

Factually:
 
TRON JA307020 said:
To know we barley advance in the way we travel space in 900 years its hard to suspend disbelief.
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Actually, they did. If you look at the technology employed by the 29th and 31st century Federation (seen in Voyager and Enterprise, respectively), traversing space and time almost instantly seemed trivial.

For example, at the end of VOY's Future's End two-parter, Captain Braxton returned Voyager to the delta quadrant in the 24th century from 20th century Earth via the rift his ship generated.

And in ENT, Daniels was able to move Archer about space and time seemingly without the need of a ship.
 
StarMan said:
Actually, they did. If you look at the technology employed by the 29th and 31st century Federation (seen in Voyager and Enterprise, respectively), traversing space and time almost instantly seemed trivial.

For example, at the end of VOY's Future's End two-parter, Captain Braxton returned Voyager to the delta quadrant in the 24th century from 20th century Earth via the rift his ship generated.

And in ENT, Daniels was able to move Archer about space and time seemingly without the need of a ship.
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Too bad that tech seemed to be missing in kurtzman trek and they are back to regular warp drive. Well there was the spore drive. Another strange element that makes no sense since its a 23rd century invention and way faster than 32nd century tech. Sigh
 
TRON JA307020 said:
Too bad that tech seemed to be missing in kurtzman trek and they are back to regular warp drive. Well there was the spore drive. Another strange element that makes no sense since its a 23rd century invention and way faster than 32nd century tech. Sigh
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Well I guess you can handwave the incongruities away and say the technology allowing for rifts / portals / wormholes etc. over vast distances is inextricably linked to temporal tech, therefore banned.

Unfortunately, you'd next need to explain why Khionians have those Rick and Morty-style portal devices. :lol:
 
StarMan said:
Well I guess you can handwave the incongruities away and say the technology allowing for rifts / portals / wormholes etc. over vast distances is inextricably linked to temporal tech, therefore banned.
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They tested rift/portal alternatives but they didn't pan out as a viable solution.
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TRON JA307020 said:
Quite right Oddish. Sometimes I think kurtzman picked the 32nd century by flipping the 23rd century number. For 930 years from SNW and STD the bridges look very similar to their kurtzman 23rd century counterparts. Nothings changed. Lol. Bad idea to move that far ahead. Other species starfleet has met moved past warp drive and had other tech like teleporters. To know we barley advance in the way we travel space in 900 years its hard to suspend disbelief. Best to have set a show in the 25th century. Kurtzman ruined the way tech advanced in trek because it all seems the same spanning 10 centuries. Unrealistic.
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I'm pretty sure he choose the 32nd century solely because he wanted to go beyond any even remotely covered time periods.


StarMan said:
For example, at the end of VOY's Future's End two-parter, Captain Braxton returned Voyager to the delta quadrant in the 24th century from 20th century Earth via the rift his ship generated.
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Yup, lock a temporal rift generator to take someone 1s into the past or future and it's functionally the perfect FTL method.


Detached Nacelle said:
They tested rift/portal alternatives but they didn't pan out as a viable solution.
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Someone should tell that to the Xindi since they were creating them just fine in the Enterprise Era.
 
cooleddie74 said:
Using tech from the Sphere Builders so they could reach Earth. It wasn't their organic technology, but a gift from the transdimensional realm so that their own ends could be furthered.
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As far as I can recall/find we never hear anything about the source of their subspace vortex technology.
 
TRON JA307020 said:
Too bad that tech seemed to be missing in kurtzman trek and they are back to regular warp drive. Well there was the spore drive. Another strange element that makes no sense since its a 23rd century invention and way faster than 32nd century tech. Sigh
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Eugenics is illegal in the Federation, what Stamets did to himself, slavery is also illegal, what was done to the tardigrade, and omnicide, the murder of all life in all universes, what the Empire "almost" did with indiscriminate spore tech use after a couple weeks... Oh?

The final monologue in the 23rd century, situated that the Discovery and the Spore Drive were both now very classified so that no one tries to follow it to the 31st century and destroy all life in the universe, with the Sphere Data.
 
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