Not, "If you keep questioning The Way We Tell You to Think™, stop"?
'Cause resisting the herd RightThink™ can be kinda painful sometimes. But one must be true to oneself.
How Do Social Conservative Star Fans Enjoy Star Trek?
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'Cause resisting the herd RightThink™ can be kinda painful sometimes. But one must be true to oneself.
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I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian family, and we were staunchly social conservative, so I can share that point of view.
So I got into Star Trek when I was 4 (thank you, mom) with the original series, and what had drawn me to it was the technology most of all: starships, warp speed, phasers, transporters, the whole shebang. I was obsessed with computers as a child (they weren't yet considered a common home appliance yet), and took every chance I got to see them on screen.
When the time Star Trek: The Next Generation came around, it was a shoo-in that I'd love the new whiz bang technology, but I was also old enough at that point to begin understanding the stories, and I found those exciting. I identified with Wesley Crusher at the time, even though he was some years older than I was, but it was great to see a kid as part of the crew.
Still, the primary focus was on the starships and the technology. I remember, in middle school, a friend letting me borrow his Star Trek Starfleet Technical Manual. I pored over those pages for days. I began to read Star Trek fiction, and write my own stories. Again, I was still socially conservative, but I was genuinely loving the Star Trek universe. There was never a time when I thought something was wrong or out of place.
I voted for George W. Bush in 2000. I went and saw Star Trek: Nemesis in 2002. It honestly just never came up that I was somehow not supposed to like Star Trek.
So I got into Star Trek when I was 4 (thank you, mom) with the original series, and what had drawn me to it was the technology most of all: starships, warp speed, phasers, transporters, the whole shebang. I was obsessed with computers as a child (they weren't yet considered a common home appliance yet), and took every chance I got to see them on screen.
When the time Star Trek: The Next Generation came around, it was a shoo-in that I'd love the new whiz bang technology, but I was also old enough at that point to begin understanding the stories, and I found those exciting. I identified with Wesley Crusher at the time, even though he was some years older than I was, but it was great to see a kid as part of the crew.
Still, the primary focus was on the starships and the technology. I remember, in middle school, a friend letting me borrow his Star Trek Starfleet Technical Manual. I pored over those pages for days. I began to read Star Trek fiction, and write my own stories. Again, I was still socially conservative, but I was genuinely loving the Star Trek universe. There was never a time when I thought something was wrong or out of place.
I voted for George W. Bush in 2000. I went and saw Star Trek: Nemesis in 2002. It honestly just never came up that I was somehow not supposed to like Star Trek.
I'm not saying they have to stop, it's their choice. It's an internet forum, not a public protest.
There's better places to air your grievances.
Write a letter to your congressman. Or the Neutral Zone as a mod already mentioned.
Lets get back on topic.
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One of the many reasons why "I need my pain" is one of Kirk's best pieces of dialogue he ever spoke.
Star Trek, for all its utopian platitudes, is ultimately about struggle. Man vs. himself, man vs. machine, vs. the world, or vs. a change.
There is a struggle there. And humans are the better for it.
Reminds me of another great one of Kirk about having to 'claw, scratch, fight our way to paradise'. Such a thing has to be earned, not given away.
I'm sorry, but it's really not. Your choices are take an extreme left position, or get verbally abused by people who do.
This topic was actually pretty rational for awhile, probably because most of the people discussing the matter seemed pretty moderate. But it's gone off the rails a bit. So maybe we should go back to talking ABOUT STAR TREK AND CONSERVATIVES.
And before a certain mod lowers the boom on me for acting like I'm a staff member when I'm really not, I'm making a suggestion, nothing more.
What on Earth makes you think the casting of diverse actors has anything to do with doom-and-gloom scenarios?
In what way??
It happens because you won't explain how having non-white actors hampers storytelling!
My only "concern" is how Liberals are becoming less "liberal" as time goes on, while still proclaiming themselves to be Liberal. Worse, unless you endorse their opinion as your own, you are seen as "fascist", the height of irony. Other than that, they do know how to have fun, moreso than Conservatives.
I just want to put this out there: almost 25 years here, and this thread has taken one of the weirdest turns I've ever seen. Never mind it lasting way longer than I thought it would. No. That's not the weirdest thing. What was the weirdest was that I never thought a thread about Star Trek and politics would lead to the Spice Girls!
I can now say I've seen it all.
I can now say I've seen it all.
Zigga Zig SIGH.
As their opinions veer farther and farther from common sense, they become harder to defend. Attitude and insults are their only defense.
The makers of Trek, while they get more diverse (which I am perfectly fine with), still stick to the basic value set that they became with. So while conservatives might lose interest in nu Trek (though they still enjoy the older shows), I think the moderates have not.
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For the record, many of us raging communists love Strange New Worlds, and by "many of us," I mean me, and by "raging communists," I also mean me.
Well, I am as woke as Sleeping Beauty would have been if Maleficent the dragon had gobbled up Prince Phillip like a human burrito... and I love SNW too.For the record, many of us raging communists love Strange New Worlds, and by "many of us," I mean me, and by "raging communists," I also mean me.
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We reach.Well, I am as woke as Sleeping Beauty would have been if Maleficent the dragon had gobbled up Prince Phillip like a human burrito... and I love SNW too.
Also, I was cheering on Maleficent the whole time.
That is a great one. This is my favorite:
KIRK: All right. It's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today. Contact Vendikar. I think you'll find that they're just as terrified, appalled, horrified as you are, that they'll do anything to avoid the alternative I've given you. Peace or utter destruction. It's up to you.
Are liberals the ones that are getting books banned from libraries because it offends their political views?
NO.
Are liberals the ones cheering on politicians as they go after Disney and Budweiser for showing just the smallest amount of acceptance of the LGBTQ community?
NO.
Are liberals the ones passing laws restricting what can be discussed in schools and offering education curriculums that accentuates the good aspects of slavery?
NO.
So it's not a crazy question to put out there as to how social conservatives view Star Trek when the same people have A) been vocal about "woke" politics in media and Nu-Trek, and B) are at the same time getting their panties in a twist because companies like Disney and Budweiser have positive depictions of the LGBTQ community.
It's also not crazy for people to wonder about fascism and authoritarianism when a huge segment of the people who call themselves conservative seem ready to support the guy who's pushing authoritarian policies and have a questionable respect for democracy and the rule of law.
I find it rich when the same crowd who support in large numbers the guy who holds rallies where people wear "fuck your feelings" t-shirts are concerned about "attitude and insults." The level of projection when it comes to this stuff is off the charts.
I don't know... slaughtering a teenager over not getting a party invite. My ego's as fragile as anyone's, but even I think that's a bit extreme. Better to just crash the party, glom all the popcorn shrimp, smash the punch bowl, make a few random nobles' clothes disappear, then scamper out the door cackling madly.Also, I was cheering on Maleficent the whole time.
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