Translation: "I'm all for a settlement as long as I get to do whatever the hell I want."LFIM said:
Or: "We're still accepting donations."
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Or: "We're still accepting donations."
Did someone say, "Cash"?Between the now defunct gofundme campaign to raise cash for LFIM and that video of LFIM blaming everyone except Boomer the cat ....
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I also get the feeling that a lot of it is "I tried everything I could, but drat those CBS meanies" noise in the hopes of avoiding a donor-originated lawsuit down the road.
The problem is, he may be digging himself a deeper hole. If I'm an FTC or class action lawyer, I look at this statement as an attempt to mislead consumers about the actual state of the C/P litigation. It's similar (though not identical) to securities fraud when a company misleads shareholders about the prospects of getting regulatory approval for a product.
Axanar has to try everything it can to make the film as promised to its fans or I suspect face another court challenge from its donors. Rock and a hard place.
If someone ever writes a book about this case, a great title would be "Did Someone Say Cash? The Rise and Fall of 'Star Trek: Axanar'"
As a dupe...er, I mean, donor, my expectation regarding Axanar is that I receive my money back. And I expect there are many fans that do as well.
But that won't happen, so I hope Alec has to pay for numerous copyright infractions that will finally make him go away from Trek, props, and fandom in general.
A person can dream, can't he?
But that won't happen, so I hope Alec has to pay for numerous copyright infractions that will finally make him go away from Trek, props, and fandom in general.
A person can dream, can't he?
The lawsuit to stop using the stolen corporate credit card can be settled provided it meets the nonnegotiable goal of satisfying all the people who unknowingly paid to facilitate the theft and buy their desire.
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Alec's ego is blinding himself to the FACT that everyone who hears his argument knows he is being righteous for self serving reasons.
Donors now know they were in the wrong to sign up with Axanar Productions. Regardless of their desire to have a fan film, Axanar Productions' strategy crossed way too many legal lines. Donors now know that their desire for a film should not be joined at the hip with Axanar Productions' way of going about it. Donors if asked for a choice between refund and continuing into trial (NOT 'having the film or having a refund', the film is never going to happen), would ask for refunds.
While I agree with the sentiment, I don't agree with your conclusion. Despite our overall intelligence as a people, we are still really capable of deluding ourselves. If his supporters haven't turned on him yet, I don't think they ever will. I could be wrong, and I hope to see the pitchforks and torches he deserves, but I think, to a certain group of his diehards, he'll be a martyr.
I agree this does happen. IMO in this case there will (based on conduct and statements and revealed namecalling/etc/etc to date) probably be an insufferable amount of venality (financial and abusive mentality) exposed when the emails and finances are made public, and this will take the wind out the 95% of the donors support for Alec. Perhaps I am making a bit forward looking statement, but it seems inevitable.
Alec somehow seems to think that the legal process will shield him from having the worst of his conduct put on public display by the studios in a Summary Judgment filing. I think he is seriously underestimating how long the expository knives of career attorneys in a backbiting industry can be.
And if this goes to trial, its going to be about him, not about the donors, as much as he would like to make it otherwise. Just as it is now, but he refuses to acknowledge.
By fighting now and by trying to make it about the donors, Alec has given the studios no choice but to take his personal conduct apart as publicly as possible. They have to to burn to the ground the framing that this is a matter with fans or IP protection politics, rather than a matter with his personal aggressively willful violation of the law and exploitation of the fan loophole for personal gain with a studio. They have to make it so absolutely clear that it is venal personal misconduct that an argument of fair use cannot even have justification for being heard. Who wants to bet that all the emails and finances demonstrate a pure effort for fans framed in thinking of fair use?
When these matters are on clear record where most uninvolved fans will see them and make up their own minds and then speak it back to Axanar donors, the walled garden will be abandoned.
And in 14 years, Alec can do a fundraiser to play Khan.
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I would agree, However no law firm would take on a "Class action" knowing there would be no money to pay anything they won in the suit.
This is either from bad legal advice or! his ego :-S
Hey, good call on this, Potemkin!
Mr. Lane speaking:
huh. Well, okay... noble. And admirable. Though I do remain aware of transparency shenanigans [<-TM->jespah
] that for years have followed in the wake of the defendant.Aware enough that when I got to this part I found myself scratching my head in quandary that with the defendant's long displayed attention to all things Internet/Axanar it took five days for this to come to his attention.
While I do not express that this would be inconceivable, I do find it at least worth a measure of scrutiny, this unlikelihood that not one of the friends of the defendant, not one of the supporter/advocates for the defendant found out about this campaign.... and brought it to his attention. Not one? This crowdfund was set up specifically to help the defendant with his financial burden in covering the essentials of the studio and keep it afloat. And even I who found out about it days after the fact... found out before he did? The odds of that unlikelihood gives me strong pause.
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The "it" here was the fact that after five days, there were no donations. Alec didn't want to be embarrassed once it got out that he's lost all his supporters.
That is where my own thinking keeps landing.
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I know the only person who donated did so to make sure their comment was not deleted lol and their comment was not a good one lol then about a hour or so later it went down.
Exactly. The timing begs the question.
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