I've not yet seen the film, but it's painfully obvious that Sacks was intended to be Shredder, but that, according to what people have been saying, a change was made. The question is 'why was this change made, and when was it made?'.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Grading & Discussion
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The reason why is obvious: Because turning yet another Asian character white in a major motion picture met with well-deserved outrage and bad publicity, and for once the filmmakers actually backed down and made at least a token effort to do the right thing. Although it seems like a half-hearted fix, since the focus is still on the white guy as the main villain.
Well to be honest, in life we never really know who the real villains are. I'm perfectly fine having evil within the shadow and his puppets doing the damage. Why risk your own exposure when you can risk someone else.
If anything Shredder seemed to tacked on, it's hard to believe that Sacks could ever have been meant to be Shredder.
So, what they filmed the movie with White Shredder, then went back and added in the couple of scenes with Asian Shredder than redubbed Fichtcher's lines over the robo-suit?
How fortunate for them that you never see Shredder's face in the suit
I'm really glad they made the change. It works much better than this way. Though it's too bad we didn't get more Shredder as a character scenes.
How fortunate for them that you never see Shredder's face in the suit
I'm really glad they made the change. It works much better than this way. Though it's too bad we didn't get more Shredder as a character scenes.
I have to disagree with you on the bolded statement, Chris, but that's a discussion for elsewhere.
Yet again how? Sacks was in the lab sperating the mutagen from the blood, which was hte point all along, otherwise there be no antidote and no cure for Splinter. The whole "poison the city" plot seemed to be lifted from the first Amazing Spider-Man movie.
But in real life we do know that Asian-American actors are human beings with families to support and don't deserve to be discriminated against and deprived of income by the increasingly common trend of casting white actors in roles that should go to Asians. This is not about fiction, this is about real people and fair hiring practices.
I really wish we had gotten to see the turtles use their weapons more. Which, again, goes back to how good the 1990 movie was in how we got to see the turtles use their weapons, and not just to attack/stab or whatever. Hell, one of my favorite scenes from the first one is the nunchuck-off between Michelangelo and the Foot Soldier in April's apartment. I mean Mikey reaches back for his 'chucks and there's a little music-sting sort of reminiscent of like a sheriff or the good guy reaching for his gun in a stand-off in Western or something.
The fight scenes in the original movie were just well done, and I think this movie lacked that.
And is Donatello's bo-staff in this movie made of Adamantium or something? Because over the course of the movie we see it do some impressive things for a wooden stick like flipping over Hummers and supporting all of them hanging off of a building with it wedged in a beam or something.
The fight scenes in the original movie were just well done, and I think this movie lacked that.
And is Donatello's bo-staff in this movie made of Adamantium or something? Because over the course of the movie we see it do some impressive things for a wooden stick like flipping over Hummers and supporting all of them hanging off of a building with it wedged in a beam or something.
I'm happy with that, I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a sequel of this. Hopefully, and this may be a long shot, they'll take some of the criticisms leveled at this one and learn from them a bit. They can't do much now about the character design without it breaking any "continuity" in the series, but they can clean up the action a bit and maybe have more character moments.
Again, I'm really surprised how much I liked this movie and I really want to see it come into something better and I hope that it will as this franchise moves forward.
I also hope Donnie gets some Lazik or something because the nerdy taped glasses doesn't quite work for me. (
But, I guess it can almost make *some* sense he wears broken glasses given the fighting he does and he probably had to salvage some broken glasses from the sewer that worked for him. ... Do animals other than humans even have defective eyes requiring glasses? Seems to be natural selection would have taken care of them a long time ago. We humans have the disadvantage of caring for the weaker members of out species to make up for their deficiencies but I'd think myopia would have been weeded out of most other animals pretty quickly. )
Again, I'm really surprised how much I liked this movie and I really want to see it come into something better and I hope that it will as this franchise moves forward.
I also hope Donnie gets some Lazik or something because the nerdy taped glasses doesn't quite work for me. (
But, I guess it can almost make *some* sense he wears broken glasses given the fighting he does and he probably had to salvage some broken glasses from the sewer that worked for him. ... Do animals other than humans even have defective eyes requiring glasses? Seems to be natural selection would have taken care of them a long time ago. We humans have the disadvantage of caring for the weaker members of out species to make up for their deficiencies but I'd think myopia would have been weeded out of most other animals pretty quickly. )
Sure they can. Lots of sequels change the design of things from the previous movies. Godzilla has rarely looked the same from one movie to the next. And heck, the previous four TMNT movies, which nominally formed a single continuity, featured at least three different Turtle designs, one of them cartoony CGI. Not to mention three different "designs" for April O'Neill, played by three different actresses. If a human character's face and voice can be changed without explanation, there's no reason a CGI character can't be redesigned.
Do animals other than humans even have defective eyes requiring glasses? Seems to be natural selection would have taken care of them a long time ago. We humans have the disadvantage of caring for the weaker members of out species to make up for their deficiencies but I'd think myopia would have been weeded out of most other animals pretty quickly.
I honestly didn't expect there to be a Wikipedia article about this, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myopia_in_animals
Apparently myopia is found in various mammals, but there's nothing about reptiles. Still, we aren't talking anatomically correct chelonians here.
Donnie's staff seemed to be something more than a simple wooden Bo - it was mechanical in some way.
Splinter's character design reminded me of the 80s playmates toy and cartoon look more than anything else.
Learning ninjitsu from a book in the sewer necessitated more suspension of disbelief from me than the whole concept of mutated turtles for some reason.
Splinter's character design reminded me of the 80s playmates toy and cartoon look more than anything else.
Learning ninjitsu from a book in the sewer necessitated more suspension of disbelief from me than the whole concept of mutated turtles for some reason.
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It also feels like another part of the whitewashing, divorcing Splinter from any actual connection to Japan.
I dont know. You seem pretty lose stating those types of comments. You work closer to the industry then I do, but given the market size you would think making a larger connection would be better.
I dont recall the specific part, but the snow hill thing broke my suspention.
There was no whitewaching, there's no hint that Shredder was ever meant to be cast by a white man. And in a number of ways learning ninjitsu from a book makes Splinter less of a steroetype.