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If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which one?

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

We had a discussion like this in the Trek Lit forum just about two years ago (although, be warned, it goes badly off-topic once or twice):

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=180811

Quoting my thoughts from there:
The problem with crossovers between SF/fantasy universes, even aside from licensing issues, is that they can really only work as "imaginary stories." It's one thing to cross over two present-day series like, say, Cheers and St. Elsewhere, or Law & Order and Homicide, since they're set in essentially the same reality. But different science fiction universes tend to make different assumptions on a fundamental level: the way the laws of physics work, the way history unfolds, what alien species exist and on what planets, how the geography of the galaxy or universe is laid out, things like that. For instance, there's no way to do a legitimate, in-continuity crossover of Star Trek with anything where first contact with aliens was overtly made before 2063, such as Alien Nation or V. Nor could you cross over a universe like Star Trek or Babylon 5 that has faster-than-light travel with one like Firefly where it doesn't exist, or cross over ST's alien-rich galaxy with the humans-only galaxy of Asimov's Foundation universe or the 2004 Battlestar Galactica. And how do you cope with something like the original Galactica, where the cosmology was so ignorantly handled that ships travelling below the speed of light could travel across multiple galaxies in under one year? There's no way to even attempt to reconcile something that fanciful with any universe that pays even a moderate amount of attention to astronomy and physics.

So the only way to do it is by fudging the inconsistencies, ignoring whole huge swaths of worldbuilding and history in both universes -- which I consider cheating, since those worldbuilding details and backgrounds are fundamental parts of what make SF universes what they are. Such stories can be entertaining artifacts, amusing exercises, but I can't really take them as legitimate parts of either universe.

A crossover between SF universes could [only] really work in cases where the physics, history, and other aspects of worldbuilding are compatible. For instance, I choose to believe that Roddenberry's pilot The Questor Tapes takes place in the Trek universe, because there's nothing about it that fundamentally conflicts with anything ST has established.... But I don't count Genesis II/Planet Earth as part of Trek history because its version of WWIII and its aftermath is incompatible with the timing of those events in Trek (although I do consider it an alternate timeline where the Eugenics Wars became a full-fledged global nuclear war). I would've loved to incorporate Alien Nation (the TV series, not the mediocre movie) into Trek history, since they were thematically similar in the ideas and issues they explored, but there was just no way to reconcile them. SF universes that are compatible with one another are very rare, because the whole nature of SF entails creating whole universes with their own distinct rules and identity.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Star Trek Meets My Favorite Martian
After Tim (Bill Bixby) runs away in a hulking rage, Uncle Martin (Ray Walston) gets a job as a gardener at the Presidio, eventually changing his identity.

Star Trek Meets My Living Doll
A sophisticated robot that looks exactly like Julie Newmar instructs Data on a wide variety of pleasuring.

Star Trek Meets My Little Pony
Fortunately, I don't know enough about MLP to do a riff on this.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Star Trek Meets My Favorite Martian
After Tim (Bill Bixby) runs away in a hulking rage, Uncle Martin (Ray Walston) gets a job as a gardener at the Presidio, eventually changing his identity.

I featured Boothby in my debut work of Trek prose, Corps of Engineers: Aftermath, and I mentioned that he'd been born on Mars.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

I could see Trek crossing over with gate, any inconsistencies on the gate side of canon could be disregarded as the Tau'ri having a lesser understanding of the various physics present in the 24th century. And trek certainly has enough energy beings to justify the ancients.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Data and Doctor Who (Eccleston, Tennant or Smith) playing chess and naturally having some sort of interesting conversation...
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

If any Scifi universe would work as an alternate timeline of Star Trek it's Stargate.

Stargate has earlier stages of development of basically the same technology, they're morally very similar. The storytelling style focusing on adventure with moral debate just meshes much better than a show like Star Wars which is inherently a Space Western that needs to be strictly adventure and have discrete presences of good and evil.

You could even plausibly say the Nox and Asgard exist in the Trekverse and just never interacted with humans there was a timeline split in the time of the Chase aliens that resulted in far fewer varieties of humanoid aliens.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Data and Doctor Who (Eccleston, Tennant or Smith) playing chess and naturally having some sort of interesting conversation...

The doctors are basicaly Q.

Am I wrong here, because theres a lot of similarities between timelords and Q?
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Data and Doctor Who (Eccleston, Tennant or Smith) playing chess and naturally having some sort of interesting conversation...

The doctors are basicaly Q.

Am I wrong here, because theres a lot of similarities between timelords and Q?

No, Q is an omnipotent, immortal entity capable of doing anything. The Time Lords are mortal life forms with really long life spans and really advanced technology. While it seems like Time Lords can do anything, it's more a case of sufficiently advanced technology being indistinguishable from magic.

Fun fact, while most are probably aware of IDW's TNG/Doctor Who comic crossover Assimilation-Squared, what isn't as well known is that former DW producer once put serious thought into doing a Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover on TV. The cancellation of Enterprise forced him to abandon the idea.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Forget crossing Trek with another universe. I'd want to see a full-up Trek movie, with characters from all the shows. And not just a stinking cameo or two.

There's been plenty of fan-fic showing Sam Beckett leaping into Jonathan Archer, but my personal favorite crossover concept, not involving Trek would have been Quantum Leap/Tru Calling.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

X-Men.

JK! Those X-Men/Star Trek crossover books were beyond silly.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

If Enterprise had never been made, Forbidden Planet would have made a good prequel story, taking place 60 years before the events of TOS. The style and tech of FP meshes really well with The Cage, too.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

And a mad Q could bing things from other universes and tweak local physics to where ships could interact on more evan terms--bear baiting starship battles.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

You could crossover things like planet of the apes or alien nation if they are set on one of the many noncanon duplicate earths.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Star Trek vs. The Andy Griffith Show

EXT. MAYBERRY - DAY
As KIRK, SPOCK, McCOY, and ENS. GRANT MATERIALIZE in the middle of the street, a townsperson sees them.

GOMER PYLE: Shazam!

GRANT: (drawing phaser) A hillbilly!

KIRK: Grant, no!

Grant phasers Pyle out of existence.

ETA:
Oh, a science fiction show. Then substitute Green Acres and Mr. Haney for Gomer.

Are you saying this never happened?

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Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

^ I must have missed that one. :shifty:
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Star Trek Meets My Favorite Martian
Star Trek Meets My Living Doll
A sophisticated robot that looks exactly like Julie Newmar instructs Data on a wide variety of pleasuring.

Wouldn't Data realize that she looks and sounds like Eleen, mother of the High Teer Leonard James Akaar?

Data and Doctor Who (Eccleston, Tennant or Smith) playing chess and naturally having some sort of interesting conversation...
The Doctor cheats at chess (Fourth Doctor and K-9).

I read a fanfic in which a 23rd-century Federation ship (not the Enterprise) encounters some kind of anomaly and ends up 20,000+ years in the future, in the same universe as Dune. They're in trouble right away as the Spacing Guild takes a dim view of anyone getting in the way of their monopoly on space travel, and due to the prohibitions and taboos of the Butlerian Jihad, they're in trouble with everyone else for using computers and other electronic gadgets.
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Star Trek Meets My Favorite Martian
Star Trek Meets My Living Doll
A sophisticated robot that looks exactly like Julie Newmar instructs Data on a wide variety of pleasuring.

Wouldn't Data realize that she looks and sounds like Eleen, mother of the High Teer Leonard James Akaar?



Wel, he never noticed that Lwaxana Troi looks and sounds a lot like Christine Chapel and Pike's Number One . . . . :)
 
Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Star Trek Meets My Favorite Martian
Star Trek Meets My Living Doll
A sophisticated robot that looks exactly like Julie Newmar instructs Data on a wide variety of pleasuring.

Wouldn't Data realize that she looks and sounds like Eleen, mother of the High Teer Leonard James Akaar?



Wel, he never noticed that Lwaxana Troi looks and sounds a lot like Christine Chapel and Pike's Number One . . . . :)

And Spock never noticed his dad looks like a Romulan Commander. He should have twigged to the Number One and Chapel thing too.
 
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