Again, didn't "The Reckoning" and "Tears of the Prophets already establish that?
Dukat... too many plot twists?
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^Establish that the Pah'wraiths were generic and conceptually weak, and should not have been explored further, especially by having them embody Sisko's main rival? Yes.
Dukat was a conflicted man with a huge ego and the ability to deny reality even to himself. The death of his daughter drove him mad. His madness, his natural persona, his attitude toward Sisko all served the pah wraith's well. He was the perfect host to lead them. I personally enjoyed the storyline. The glowing eyes, the "force-like" abilities, none of that bothered me since I saw it as the alien pah wraiths sharing/controling Dukat's body. There have been stranger things and more far-fetched alien abilities in Star Trek dating back to the original series. My only major quibble is that it definitely felt rushed toward the end.
I agree. He could either have ended in glorious battle (on either side) in the Dominion War or have been tried for crimes after the war. But the Pahwraith bit was too much.
Another character would have been better for that role.
The whole way Reckoning and the P'ah Wraith arc played out didn't make sense with the nonlinearity of the wormhole aliens. They should have come up with a more 'Nonlinear' way for them to have the final battle.
I agree the war arc could have been told more quickly, but I would have done it more by collapsing seasons 4 and 5 into one season and having the last season start with the Occupation Arc and end with the final ten episodes.
I agree the war arc could have been told more quickly, but I would have done it more by collapsing seasons 4 and 5 into one season and having the last season start with the Occupation Arc and end with the final ten episodes.
It was the whole "Now bow to me!" thing that really bugged me. So cheesy.
I don't mind the super powers.
I thought that "Waltz" was about the bet episode of any of the five Trek series.
Maybe, but the scene was well executed and was super cool, IMO.
What I love about Dukat is that he's complex. He is my favorite villain in all of Star Trek because there is a lot more to him than meets the eye. You can't have a character like Dukat in a movie because two hours just wouldn't do it justice. Dukat was interesting because whenever you thought you could trust him, he would spit in your face and you would find yourself despising him. After his daughter died, he turned to religion and really let the Pah'Wraiths take over. But before that, he was just a misunderstood dictator. He's super cool.
I would've preferred it if Sisko or Kira had killed Dukat during Waltz, or had ditched the whole Pah-Wraith thing entirely. That was the weakest part of the series, IMO. The last season really torpedoed the character.
The Pah-Wraith thing could've worked better if it was more about Dukat messing with something bigger than him instead of him becoming a fanatic.
He'd learn about the Pah-Wraiths and figure he can used them to get rid of the Prophets so the Dominion can send ships through the Wormhole again, and his whole thing of seducing Winn is purely for this end and not because he cares about the Pah-Wraiths. But then he gets killed by her and when he is "reanimated" it's clear he's just a zombie controlled by them now and not a sentient being anymore.
He'd learn about the Pah-Wraiths and figure he can used them to get rid of the Prophets so the Dominion can send ships through the Wormhole again, and his whole thing of seducing Winn is purely for this end and not because he cares about the Pah-Wraiths. But then he gets killed by her and when he is "reanimated" it's clear he's just a zombie controlled by them now and not a sentient being anymore.
Dukat's ego was his own undoing. That was a constant and progressive (or regressive) throughout the series. He used the pah wraiths for their power and thought he was controlling them, but the pah wraith in turn used him along the way and in the end both controlled and used him to get rid of the Emissary.
Yes, the Dukat we came to know all these years was killed by Winn and what happened after was the Pah-Wraiths taking over his body. I honestly didn't stop and think about that aspect. I guess some could speculate that Dukat wasn't really killed but infact in purgatory in the Fire Caves. There isn't really any way of knowing exactly what happened to him, but I will go for his soul being killed by Winn thus that being his ultimate fate. The body of Dukat is a different story.
I Think the military leader Dukat was what I will remember him for but at the Same time I was ok with him going crazy. 
Actually, I thought the dialogue made it quite clear about what became of Dukat.
First, after Dukat was brought back, he was STILL Dukat - not a pah-wraith in control of his unoccupied body, because the Dukat we all have come to know over seven years tells Sisko, like they're old buddies:
His eyes are red, so that might be confusing, but remember in Tears of the Prophets, he is similarly possessed (and gains similar powers), but he's also still Dukat- reassuring Weyoun and Damar as much and also remembering his actions in subsequent episodes after the wraith has left him.
As to what became of Dukat, I think that's also spelled out pretty well in the dialogue,. Body or no body, he's spending eternity with the Pah-wraiths.
I think that's a reason why Dukat was such a great character. He was more than just one-dimensional character, and — just like normal people — had many facets of his personality.
Kai winn was a bad one from the start, remember that in season 1 (I think) she conspired to have her opponent assassinated. She was ruthless and ambitious to megalomania. I think the reason the Pah Waiths picked Dukat to make her an ally is because they were so much alike. Kai winn and him, both pitiless would be dictators.
Dukat IMHO is the greatest all the Trek baddies simply because he IS so multidimensional. You never really know when he will turn on you, making him also the most evil of all the Trek baddies. I was fine with Pah-Wraith storyline, but not with leaving the Sisko with the Prophets, even if it was a good parallel to Dukat remaining with the Pah-Wraiths. But as Paramount had NO intention to ever continue anything such as films with the DS9 cast, that probably made some sort of sense.....to them. Plus, Sisko fulfilled his destiny of preserving Bajor, "The Sisko is of Bajor."
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