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Not sure what the comics have done in the years since. I remember drowning being something Logan was not sure he could survive and wasn't eager to find out back in the days of his first solo title. Of course that was probably 8000 Wolverine appearances ago.

IIRC, there was a comic where his entire body got totally melted away in a volcano and he still came back. (My god that sounds so stupid.)

Sounds more like Lobo but I wouldn't doubt it. His abilities fluctuate wildly depending on who is writing and what series he's in. I've seen everything from a knife to the gut putting him out of commission for a while to him being able to be shot by the dozens.
 
In the original comic book version of The Days Of Future Past a sentinal was able to kill Wolverine by burning all of flesh off.
 
Circa X-men 235 (mid 80s just before Inferno), when they first met the Geoshans... The baddies turned off Wolverine's powers. Click. And this was actually quite interesting because Claremont said that the healing factor isn't just what allowed him to survive the insertion process, it was the constant remedy that stooped the Canuck from dying everyday all over again from adamantium poinsing... I think I recall something about diabtes too?

Wolverine had 2 days to get his powers back or he was dead.

Flip side of all that, 15 years later, after Magneto ripped the Adamantium out of his bones, now that the healing factor was not constantly at war with Adamantium poisoning, it could concentrate on every other stupid horrible thing that he did to himself or some bastard was doing to him. So Wolverine in this movie and a little of The Wolverine, is where he had 10, 20, maybe 30 times the healing factor he had had in the earlier movies... I remember reading a fact file during this era where Xavier was making threat assesments of his X-Men where he surmised that he was no longer sure if removing Logan's head from his body would actually kill him any more... Obvious this is a question of how long do you wait before reattaching the head becuase if you never reattached it he would most likely die... Although Deadpool had enough chunks blown off (that grew back) over the years, and enough of it was sold on ebay as collectors items that someone Frankenstiened themselves together an entirely new Deadpool.... Of course if Wolverine still had his adamantium skelleton, you can't seperate his head from his body.

Anyone remember the Disney Movie D.A.Y.R.L.?

They thought the boy drowned in a lake at the end until they remembered that his brain was a hard drive and hard drives can't drown.
 
Of course if Wolverine still had his adamantium skelleton, you can't seperate his head from his body.
Sure you can. It's not like your skeleton is fused together or anything. The bones are held together by muscles, tendons, and ligaments. That includes the spine and skull.
 
There was also the thing with Azrael, the Angel of Death, whom a nearly dead Logan encountered during WWI. He unexpectedly beat Azrael in combat, which set up up an arrangement the angel described as both a prize and a punishment. Whenever Logan suffered wounds that went beyond his healing factor, he could fight Azrael again on the spiritual plane for the riight to live. Winning allowed his soul to return to his physical body, while losing meant he'd go into the afterlife (specifically, purgatory) regardless of his physical condition.

Logan eventually lost the battle with the angel after events orchestrated by Scimitar, and Dr. Strange rescued his soul and restored it to his body. That Azrael was seemingly allied with those responsible, having apparently tired of not being able to claim Logan's soul, was something of a shock. However, Logan recognized that Azrael's motives didn't fit the alliance and only seemed to be out of convenience for his own reasons, so the two agreed on a bargain. Logan killed the villain Phaedra, who set him up and could also resurrect the dead for the Hand (thereby undermining Azrael), and he got back a portion of his soul the Hand had stolen. The price was that the original agreement between Logan and Azrael was rendered void, and his healing factor was reduced. Should he die again, the Angel of Death can claim him at will.
 
I believe there was also a story line in the Ultimate comics where Hulk literally ripped Wolverine in half and tossed each half away from one another. Wolverine then spent a couple issues crawling to his bottom half so the two pieces could re-combine. (Rather than, say, his upper half re-growing his lower half.)
 
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I haven't read those stories but that just all sounds so silly :lol:

So what about all the horrific injuries he suffered before WWI?
 
I believe there was also a story line in the Ultimate comics where Hulk literally ripped Wolverine in half and toss each half away from one another. Wolverine then spent a couple issues crawling to his bottom half so the two pieces could re-combine. (Rather than saying his lower half re-growing from his lower half.)

I used that as a "Banned" threadbomb for a while.



 
A Cracked article link on the Wolverine v. Hulk issue, as well as other comic usages of Wolverine.

LINK

According to the article the "Wolverine ripped in half" story took a few years to complete due to a publication delays. It was also, apparently, written by Damon Lindelof so mull over that for a bit.
 
I believe there was also a story line in the Ultimate comics where Hulk literally ripped Wolverine in half and toss each half away from one another. Wolverine then spent a couple issues crawling to his bottom half so the two pieces could re-combine. (Rather than saying his lower half re-growing from his lower half.)

I used that as a "Banned" threadbomb for a while.




That did bother me a little in the movie that Wolverine couldn't sniff out Mystique.
 
Circa X-men 235 (mid 80s just before Inferno), when they first met the Geoshans... The baddies turned off Wolverine's powers. Click. And this was actually quite interesting because Claremont said that the healing factor isn't just what allowed him to survive the insertion process, it was the constant remedy that stooped the Canuck from dying everyday all over again from adamantium poinsing... I think I recall something about diabtes too?

That was cool and it gave Carol Danvers a chance to dominate Rogue's fractured psyche too. Then of course other writers introduced characters with adamantium and no healing factor and all was forgotten.
 
This came up again towards the end of one of the Wolverine series - Wolverine is thrown into a superhuman prison and because everyone has their powers damped, people like Batroc are the top dogs but the lack of a healing factor starts to kill him.
 
I think that Claremont called it diabetes (he explained) because the Adamantium was poising his kidneys... EUUUUUUUUWWWEEEE...

I just got that.

Everytime Logan has gone to the toilet for the last 30 years... He's been pissing metal.

(They say that the clap is like pissing razor blades metaphorically. This is pissing razor blades literally. Every time. No wonder he's always grouchy and always drinking... Although if he drank less he would pee less... How long would it take for a catheter to seal up? 40 seconds 20? Stoopid healing factor.)

Mutant Kidneys can process the metal and eject it out his cock with regular urine.

Normal Kidneys can't. they take one look at those microscopic metal particulates and chooses death.
 
If he's been pissing metal for thirty years the metal would eventually be gone :p Of course he did get an all new set from Apocalypse circa 1996...
 
https://movies.yahoo.com/news/rob-liefeld-x-men-apocalypse-changed-foxs-x-205228430.html

<<In comic book continuity, Cable and Apocalypse are curiously linked; the former time-travels to the present day to prevent the awakening of the latter from an induced sleep, but in the process actually causes said awakening. It was later revealed that Cable was the result of an attempt to create someone who could kill Apocalypse, but that he only became the man he is today due to machinations against him by Apocalypse himself. In other words, the two characters belong together, to some degree, making Liefeld’s surprise that his creation won’t appear in the 2016 movie slightly more understandable.>>

Is that a correct statement, or is that a mainstream news article once again misstating a comic book fact? If it is true, what comic was that in?
 
(I assumed you would know all this Light?)

It was said once and I never noticed it being repeated after that, so don't treat this as gospel, but Cables actual mutant power is the telekinetic ability to move planets. I'm not saying that he's powerful enough to move planets, but that that is the primary function of his abilities at full tilt. He is supposed to be able to "safely" manipulate the orbit of planets, but constantly fighting back techno organic virus threatening to consume him, seriously cripples his telekinetic abilities so that Cable can barely pick up more than a couple phone books at most stages in his development/continuity.

Here's the Rub.

Stryfe is a clone of Nathan Christopher/Cable without the Techno Organic Virus.

A bad guy that can move planets, or do that same level of damage to anything standing in front of him. Hitting some poor bastard with the equivalent force it would take to redirect Saturn to the ass end of the solar system... Code brown?

Okay I've practised this...

Nathan Christopher's mother, Madelyn Pryor is a clone of Jean Grey under orders form Mr Sinister (the Warden of Cyclops Orphanage), an Agent of Apocalypse to make babies with Cyclops because he has been manipulating several family trees for the last 200 years to create a super mutant baby strong enough to hold the essence of Apocalypse (That sounds tacked on at the end? Sinister's motivations always seemed masturbatory in the beginning, but making his undertaking being under the guidance of Apocalypses sleeping hand is weak.) which isn't exactly as immortal as advertised which is why he is always sleeping.

Apocalypse infects baby Nathan Christopher with a techno organic virus for no sane fucking reason. There is no cure in present day, but just by luck, a soldier from the sisterhood of the Askani from the 40th century was visiting X-Factor and sells some leap of faith bullshit, that the only way for Cyclops to save his son from certain death is to send him away with her into the future.

There's some sort of fumble. 40th century Apocalypse winds up with the baby in short order, who says "fuck this" because the child is completely rooted by the techno organic Virus. A clone is made (Stryfe) which Apocalypse adopts as his son, who in 20 years or so when the husk he is currently wearing burns out, or more likely several husks later, Apocalypse can wear Stryfe like a new suit that actually has some give in it.

The crap virus baby is thrown out with the bath water.

Years later in the past, Jean and Scot on their Honeymoon, walk through a time warp, and find the crap virus baby, and then spend the next decade in the fortieth century raising their son all the while being careful not to admit who they are and where they are from because of the negative effects honesty could have on the timeline.

So "Red and Slim" abandon young Cable, when they uncontrollably go back to the past, and it may have made him a little bitter. Meeting his young non virusey clone brother didn't help either, especially since Stryfe is fricking positive that he is the real Nathan Christopher and this shitbrick is just a test tube accident with a dream.

Cable gets older, joins an army, something about a Canaanite revolution, Apocalypse falls, Stryfe falls, Cable joins the Askani priesthood... Oh, a wad of technology the size of a baseball, the sentient conciousness of X-Factors spaceship had been hidden inside Cable all along (Just like a drug mule, but how Dorothy of Oz!) which is actually a Celestials tricorder (we thought it was a massive ship, they think it's a hand held device! Size is relative.) who Cable renames "Professor" and becomes his best friend/butler. So because it's celestial technology and it's the 40th century, Cable builds a space station called Graymalken (the physical address for Xavier's school is 1407 Graymalken lane!) and takes it back in time to the 80s to help shepherd in the new batch of Externals (Mutants who die, and then come back immortal and then are supposed to lead. Royal starchamber shit, y'know?) to stop them from becoming such dicks.

Cable arrives way too early, and then finds that Stryfe is already there being a jerk. It was a prequel comic, before he met the New Mutants. Everything was seriously Reagan. So "The Askanison" is a soldier of fortune for ten years waiting for Xavier to lose control of the New Mutants so that he can turn them into X-Force because he's sure that either Cannonball or Sunspot is the next External.

So years before Scot and Jeans honeymoon, after Cable has established himself as leader of X_Force without telling anyone who his parents are, where they go to the future to raise their Kid, Stryfe pulls some whacky hoodwinks in a massive crossover called "The Executioners Song" where he dresses up as Cable, shoots Xavier with a techno organic bullet, and does all this woe is me Super villain angst shit trying to get Jean and Scott to apologise for sending him to the future because they didn't love him, without actually out rightly telling them that he or Cable are both their sons.

I'm drawing a blank, but it was pretty soon after that that Cable admitted who he was and everything sorta calmed down in the timey whimey department... Although when Apocalypse was a teenager in 3000 BC, the Pharo he paid taxes to was Kang the Conqueror, a time travelling Avengers Villain, who was there on that stage during Apocalypses adolescence, when on the same day crossed swords separately with the Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange and the West Coast Avengers while trying to woo Apocalypse as a henchman becuase as it turned out, Kang (Pharo Rama Tut) was only there to weaponize Apocalypse and use him to win future wars in the future, so la de dah to anyone else who thought they were important.

(I'm out of breath.)
 
Circa X-men 235 (mid 80s just before Inferno), when they first met the Geoshans... The baddies turned off Wolverine's powers. Click. And this was actually quite interesting because Claremont said that the healing factor isn't just what allowed him to survive the insertion process, it was the constant remedy that stooped the Canuck from dying everyday all over again from adamantium poinsing... I think I recall something about diabtes too?

That was cool and it gave Carol Danvers a chance to dominate Rogue's fractured psyche too. Then of course other writers introduced characters with adamantium and no healing factor and all was forgotten.

The explanation for that was that these later guys studied what happened to Logan and came up with an altered version of Adamantium that didn't cause metal poisoning. Logan was one of the "prototypes" that they had notes on just for this purpose.
 
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