X-Men: Days of Future Past - Discussion Thread - SPOILERS

[Captaindemotion]

I believe there was also a story line in the Ultimate comics where Hulk literally ripped Wolverine in half and tossed each half away from one another. Wolverine then spent a couple issues crawling to his bottom half so the two pieces could re-combine. (Rather than, say, his upper half re-growing his lower half.)

I think something like that also happened to Lobo. He was last seen in that episode dragging his lower half away asking if anyone had a staple gun, IIRC.

 

[Pauln6]

(I assumed you would know all this Light?)

It was said once and I never noticed it being repeated after that, so don't treat this as gospel, but Cables actual mutant power is the telekinetic ability to move planets. I'm not saying that he's powerful enough to move planets, but that that is the primary function of his abilities at full tilt. He is supposed to be able to "safely" manipulate the orbit of planets, but constantly fighting back techno organic virus threatening to consume him, seriously cripples his telekinetic abilities so that Cable can barely pick up more than a couple phone books at most stages in his development/continuity.

Here's the Rub.

Stryfe is a clone of Nathan Christopher/Cable without the Techno Organic Virus.

A bad guy that can move planets, or do that same level of damage to anything standing in front of him. Hitting some poor bastard with the equivalent force it would take to redirect Saturn to the ass end of the solar system... Code brown?

Okay I've practised this...

Nathan Christopher's mother, Madelyn Pryor is a clone of Jean Grey under orders form Mr Sinister (the Warden of Cyclops Orphanage), an Agent of Apocalypse to make babies with Cyclops because he has been manipulating several family trees for the last 200 years to create a super mutant baby strong enough to hold the essence of Apocalypse (That sounds tacked on at the end? Sinister's motivations always seemed masturbatory in the beginning, but making his undertaking being under the guidance of Apocalypses sleeping hand is weak.) which isn't exactly as immortal as advertised which is why he is always sleeping.

Apocalypse infects baby Nathan Christopher with a techno organic virus for no sane fucking reason. There is no cure in present day, but just by luck, a soldier from the sisterhood of the Askani from the 40th century was visiting X-Factor and sells some leap of faith bullshit, that the only way for Cyclops to save his son from certain death is to send him away with her into the future.

There's some sort of fumble. 40th century Apocalypse winds up with the baby in short order, who says "fuck this" because the child is completely rooted by the techno organic Virus. A clone is made (Stryfe) which Apocalypse adopts as his son, who in 20 years or so when the husk he is currently wearing burns out, or more likely several husks later, Apocalypse can wear Stryfe like a new suit that actually has some give in it.

The crap virus baby is thrown out with the bath water.

Years later in the past, Jean and Scot on their Honeymoon, walk through a time warp, and find the crap virus baby, and then spend the next decade in the fortieth century raising their son all the while being careful not to admit who they are and where they are from because of the negative effects honesty could have on the timeline.

So "Red and Slim" abandon young Cable, when they uncontrollably go back to the past, and it may have made him a little bitter. Meeting his young non virusey clone brother didn't help either, especially since Stryfe is fricking positive that he is the real Nathan Christopher and this shitbrick is just a test tube accident with a dream.

Cable gets older, joins an army, something about a Canaanite revolution, Apocalypse falls, Stryfe falls, Cable joins the Askani priesthood... Oh, a wad of technology the size of a baseball, the sentient conciousness of X-Factors spaceship had been hidden inside Cable all along (Just like a drug mule, but how Dorothy of Oz!) which is actually a Celestials tricorder (we thought it was a massive ship, they think it's a hand held device! Size is relative.) who Cable renames "Professor" and becomes his best friend/butler. So because it's celestial technology and it's the 40th century, Cable builds a space station called Graymalken (the physical address for Xavier's school is 1407 Graymalken lane!) and takes it back in time to the 80s to help shepherd in the new batch of Externals (Mutants who die, and then come back immortal and then are supposed to lead. Royal starchamber shit, y'know?) to stop them from becoming such dicks.

Cable arrives way too early, and then finds that Stryfe is already there being a jerk. It was a prequel comic, before he met the New Mutants. Everything was seriously Reagan. So "The Askanison" is a soldier of fortune for ten years waiting for Xavier to lose control of the New Mutants so that he can turn them into X-Force because he's sure that either Cannonball or Sunspot is the next External.

So years before Scot and Jeans honeymoon, after Cable has established himself as leader of X_Force without telling anyone who his parents are, where they go to the future to raise their Kid, Stryfe pulls some whacky hoodwinks in a massive crossover called "The Executioners Song" where he dresses up as Cable, shoots Xavier with a techno organic bullet, and does all this woe is me Super villain angst shit trying to get Jean and Scott to apologise for sending him to the future because they didn't love him, without actually out rightly telling them that he or Cable are both their sons.

I'm drawing a blank, but it was pretty soon after that that Cable admitted who he was and everything sorta calmed down in the timey whimey department... Although when Apocalypse was a teenager in 3000 BC, the Pharo he paid taxes to was Kang the Conqueror, a time travelling Avengers Villain, who was there on that stage during Apocalypses adolescence, when on the same day crossed swords separately with the Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange and the West Coast Avengers while trying to woo Apocalypse as a henchman becuase as it turned out, Kang (Pharo Rama Tut) was only there to weaponize Apocalypse and use him to win future wars in the future, so la de dah to anyone else who thought they were important.

(I'm out of breath.)

A wizard did it.

Kudos though.

 

[Turtletrekker]

(I assumed you would know all this Light?)

It was said once and I never noticed it being repeated after that, so don't treat this as gospel, but Cables actual mutant power is the telekinetic ability to move planets. I'm not saying that he's powerful enough to move planets, but that that is the primary function of his abilities at full tilt. He is supposed to be able to "safely" manipulate the orbit of planets, but constantly fighting back techno organic virus threatening to consume him, seriously cripples his telekinetic abilities so that Cable can barely pick up more than a couple phone books at most stages in his development/continuity.

Here's the Rub.

Stryfe is a clone of Nathan Christopher/Cable without the Techno Organic Virus.

A bad guy that can move planets, or do that same level of damage to anything standing in front of him. Hitting some poor bastard with the equivalent force it would take to redirect Saturn to the ass end of the solar system... Code brown?

Okay I've practised this...

Nathan Christopher's mother, Madelyn Pryor is a clone of Jean Grey under orders form Mr Sinister (the Warden of Cyclops Orphanage), an Agent of Apocalypse to make babies with Cyclops because he has been manipulating several family trees for the last 200 years to create a super mutant baby strong enough to hold the essence of Apocalypse (That sounds tacked on at the end? Sinister's motivations always seemed masturbatory in the beginning, but making his undertaking being under the guidance of Apocalypses sleeping hand is weak.) which isn't exactly as immortal as advertised which is why he is always sleeping.

Apocalypse infects baby Nathan Christopher with a techno organic virus for no sane fucking reason. There is no cure in present day, but just by luck, a soldier from the sisterhood of the Askani from the 40th century was visiting X-Factor and sells some leap of faith bullshit, that the only way for Cyclops to save his son from certain death is to send him away with her into the future.

There's some sort of fumble. 40th century Apocalypse winds up with the baby in short order, who says "fuck this" because the child is completely rooted by the techno organic Virus. A clone is made (Stryfe) which Apocalypse adopts as his son, who in 20 years or so when the husk he is currently wearing burns out, or more likely several husks later, Apocalypse can wear Stryfe like a new suit that actually has some give in it.

The crap virus baby is thrown out with the bath water.

Years later in the past, Jean and Scot on their Honeymoon, walk through a time warp, and find the crap virus baby, and then spend the next decade in the fortieth century raising their son all the while being careful not to admit who they are and where they are from because of the negative effects honesty could have on the timeline.

So "Red and Slim" abandon young Cable, when they uncontrollably go back to the past, and it may have made him a little bitter. Meeting his young non virusey clone brother didn't help either, especially since Stryfe is fricking positive that he is the real Nathan Christopher and this shitbrick is just a test tube accident with a dream.

Cable gets older, joins an army, something about a Canaanite revolution, Apocalypse falls, Stryfe falls, Cable joins the Askani priesthood... Oh, a wad of technology the size of a baseball, the sentient conciousness of X-Factors spaceship had been hidden inside Cable all along (Just like a drug mule, but how Dorothy of Oz!) which is actually a Celestials tricorder (we thought it was a massive ship, they think it's a hand held device! Size is relative.) who Cable renames "Professor" and becomes his best friend/butler. So because it's celestial technology and it's the 40th century, Cable builds a space station called Graymalken (the physical address for Xavier's school is 1407 Graymalken lane!) and takes it back in time to the 80s to help shepherd in the new batch of Externals (Mutants who die, and then come back immortal and then are supposed to lead. Royal starchamber shit, y'know?) to stop them from becoming such dicks.

Cable arrives way too early, and then finds that Stryfe is already there being a jerk. It was a prequel comic, before he met the New Mutants. Everything was seriously Reagan. So "The Askanison" is a soldier of fortune for ten years waiting for Xavier to lose control of the New Mutants so that he can turn them into X-Force because he's sure that either Cannonball or Sunspot is the next External.

So years before Scot and Jeans honeymoon, after Cable has established himself as leader of X_Force without telling anyone who his parents are, where they go to the future to raise their Kid, Stryfe pulls some whacky hoodwinks in a massive crossover called "The Executioners Song" where he dresses up as Cable, shoots Xavier with a techno organic bullet, and does all this woe is me Super villain angst shit trying to get Jean and Scott to apologise for sending him to the future because they didn't love him, without actually out rightly telling them that he or Cable are both their sons.

I'm drawing a blank, but it was pretty soon after that that Cable admitted who he was and everything sorta calmed down in the timey whimey department... Although when Apocalypse was a teenager in 3000 BC, the Pharo he paid taxes to was Kang the Conqueror, a time travelling Avengers Villain, who was there on that stage during Apocalypses adolescence, when on the same day crossed swords separately with the Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange and the West Coast Avengers while trying to woo Apocalypse as a henchman becuase as it turned out, Kang (Pharo Rama Tut) was only there to weaponize Apocalypse and use him to win future wars in the future, so la de dah to anyone else who thought they were important.

(I'm out of breath.)

Wow. I read all that as a kid, but at the time it didn't seem so very, very convoluted.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Been to sleep.

Remembered something kinda important.

Rachel Summers, the Phoenix, Marvel Girl, Scott and Jeans daughter from Days of Future past who ran away from that shite to the present, at some point in her personal time line goes to the 40th century and stays there. Rachel founds the Church of the Askani, and stays on as their chief nun, the Mother Askani who in most of the our encounters with this character is old as dirt.

So yeah.

Rachel manipulated events to bring her brother(s) forward into the 40th century and preserve the timeline.

##### or sneaky #####?

 

[Mr Light]

Guy, thank you for writing that, and I shockingly did remember most of that, but it still doesn't answer the line that had me thrown lol

<<the former time-travels to the present day to prevent the awakening of the latter from an induced sleep, but in the process actually causes said awakening.>>

I don't remember Cable causing the awakening of Apocalypse from his hibernation? Unless that refers to when he wakes up prematurely in X-Cutioner's Song? But that would have been Stryfe's fault not Cable's...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sounds like a fanwank predestination paradox, but fuck you wikipedia...

After many years of suspended animation, Apocalypse awakens nearly a century earlier than planned due to the arrival of the time-traveling mutant Cable (ironically, Cable had traveled to this point in time hoping to prevent the ancient mutant awakening).[17] Apocalypse decides the world is ready for further examination and testing. He grants superhuman powers to the terrorist known as Moses Magnum,[18] who then tests the X-Men and the Avengers. Apocalypse later briefly employs the Alliance of Evil to capture the mutant Michael Nowlan, who can boost the power of other mutants. This plan brings Apocalypse into direct conflict with the first incarnation of X-Factor, when the team was composed of the original X-Men.[19]

This happened in Cable # 1 (1993) so waking up Apocalypse prematurely was absolutely a flashback that happened before X-Factor #05... Fuck you wikipedia (T-shirt?) i just read Cable #1 from 1993 (awful, just awful.) and it has nothing in there about waking up Apocalypse...

It happened in Cable #1 1997.

a synopsis of the entire comic and some more jpegs.

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/cable_-1.shtml

 

[Mr Light]

Aaaah, so it was flashbacks in the Cable series circa 2000. I did read those comics but I don't remember them well. I absolutely loved the Ladronn art though. So Jack Kirby. What the hell happened to him?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Proportionately as a child I would spend %100 of my pocket money on comics, if you think of busfare as a comic related expenses... Therefore I had invested far to much capital into those books for me not to memorize every single ####ing panel.

Even though I may have at some later points in my adulthood spent 10 times as much money on comics as I did back then, that amount of money was probably less than 20 percent of my weekly income, so I was 80 percent less invested in giving a damn.

 

[Trekker4747]

I don't want Cable in a movie. Not only would an actor fitting Cable's profile be impossible to find, the pouch-budget for any production can only be *so* big, but most of all Rob Liefeld doesn't need another dime earned from his nonsense.

 

[Mike Farley]

Where do you find a guy with 97 inch shoulders but only size 5 1/2 feet?

 

[Ethros]

Wolverine in the comics is meant to be 5' 3"
Hugh Jackman is 6' 2"


The movies aren't a literal translation of page to screen every single time.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^ I think you're taking that comment more seriously than it was intended.

Proportionately as a child I would spend %100 of my pocket money on comics, if you think of busfare as a comic related expenses... Therefore I had invested far to much capital into those books for me not to memorize every single ####ing panel.

Even though I may have at some later points in my adulthood spent 10 times as much money on comics as I did back then, that amount of money was probably less than 20 percent of my weekly income, so I was 80 percent less invested in giving a damn.

Oh yeah, there's a couple from my childhood where I definitely know every panel. In particular, the first couple issues of GI Joe. I wasn't well off growing up, and while I wouldn't want to go back to that it did make some mundane things very precious in a way I miss.

 

[Saul]

His body heals.

It doesn't generate oxygen.

People have been known to stay under water for over 15 minutes without oxygen. That would probably cause brain damage which Wolverine would heal from.

 

[Trekker4747]

Where do you find a guy with 97 inch shoulders but only size 5 1/2 feet?

Eh, just go the Jack Reacher route and have Tom Cruise play him.

 

[JarodRussell]

His body heals.

It doesn't generate oxygen.

People have been known to stay under water for over 15 minutes without oxygen. That would probably cause brain damage which Wolverine would heal from.

Well, so if we answer the questions "Why does lack of oxygen cause brain damage" and "How does Wolverine repair brain damage", we will have finished this topic.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Who would win in a battle of Apocalypse versus a legion of Sentinels?

 

[Guy Gardener]

The whole point the Wolverine was able to go so far into the past is because his brain could heal from catastrophic damage. It the fricking script.

Brain damage might go away, brain damage will go away, and from brain death he can be defbilated be back into a living sate without any lasting bad effects. If he's not alive that are no biolocal proccesses at work. No living = no healing.

Here's the problem.

Healing is your body converting energy into construction in the simplest terms. Its an engine. You put food water and air into and it lives, grows and fixes itself.

If his body doesn't have air it can't fix itself just like your car can't go with out gas.

Put some more gas in and he'll be fine.

But you put that gas into a dead body it's not going be alive to heal.

Defibilation jumpstarts the brain, alive, and a new source of air is recognized and used.

So after after half an hour down there he would be asleep, and then dead with a certain possibility of resurrection with external help form others.

Never trust an animal that can bleed for four days and live.

 

[Trekker4747]

Never trust an animal that can bleed for four days and live.

Damn tardigrades.

 

[JoeZhang]

Sounds like a fanwank predestination paradox, but fuck you wikipedia...

After many years of suspended animation, Apocalypse awakens nearly a century earlier than planned due to the arrival of the time-traveling mutant Cable (ironically, Cable had traveled to this point in time hoping to prevent the ancient mutant awakening).[17] Apocalypse decides the world is ready for further examination and testing. He grants superhuman powers to the terrorist known as Moses Magnum,[18] who then tests the X-Men and the Avengers. Apocalypse later briefly employs the Alliance of Evil to capture the mutant Michael Nowlan, who can boost the power of other mutants. This plan brings Apocalypse into direct conflict with the first incarnation of X-Factor, when the team was composed of the original X-Men.[19]

This happened in Cable # 1 (1993) so waking up Apocalypse prematurely was absolutely a flashback that happened before X-Factor #05... Fuck you wikipedia (T-shirt?) i just read Cable #1 from 1993 (awful, just awful.) and it has nothing in there about waking up Apocalypse...

It happened in Cable #1 1997.

a synopsis of the entire comic and some more jpegs.

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/cable_-1.shtml

Am I dreaming this or did Superman have a character who was just the same who turned up a few years earlier? He had the power to slow time?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Joe, a super villain that turned up once in 1982, is not the same as the deluge of continuity Apocalypse has rained down on the Marvel Universe since 1985. The volume of effort exerted into making this bastard important and indelible is on par with pushing a law through congress...

Are you talking about Bloodthirst?

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/who/who-intro.php?topic=bloodthirst

Minor forgotten shitty character form a shitty era (in comics and in time in general) no one cares about, and Apocalypse predates him by 10 years.