X-Men: Days of Future Past - Discussion Thread - SPOILERS

[Turtletrekker]

Instead he intends to broadcast his assassination to the whole world and not expect any backlash against his fellow mutants for this.

Magneto wanted a backlash. He wanted to start a war while mutants still had the advantage.

Exactly. He was now aware of what waiting 50 years would cost everybody.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But... It was just Nixon.

Where was Jerry Ford?

In Black MIrror they discredited the Prime Minister by tricking him into having sex with a live pig on national tv for 40 minutes till he came.

Magneto has no idea how to fight a war on TV.

 

[Anwar]

Which is dumb, because the world was already going through the Cold War which had them ALREADY more paranoid and militarized than the world of 2000. His actions would have just provoked a mutant holocaust/war when most mutants still weren't aware of what they were and thus easier to round up.

Honestly, one thing the movies never really brought up was that the Humans actually were semi-justified in fearing Mutants. These guys can kill hundreds if not thousands all on their own with humans unable to defend themselves. What about the Psychotic Sadistic Mutants like Sabretooth? Humans have every right to fear guys like him.

Yes, rounding up people into camps and unleashing death robots is going too far, but being wary or mutants and wanting SOME kind of defense is justifiable.

It isn't helped that Xavier and Magneto keep making it sound like Mutants really are a separate species from humanity and not a "brother" branch.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Where was Jerry Ford?

If the movie takes place before December, he was in Congress. Spiro Agnew was Vice President for most of '73.

 

[Guy Gardener]

In 5 generations there will be no homosapiens, but not because of a war but because mutants are out breeding flatscans, till the Earth is just 8 million Mutants rightly calling themselves human beings.

Homosapiens are cows that excrete homosuperior.

Homo sapiens is the largest source of new Homosuperior.

It is racial suicide to eliminate homo sapien until there are enough homosuperior breeding pairs to maintain genetic diversity and viability.

Of course what we learnt from the cold war is that Ruussia and America would both equally see the world burn than lose to the other or someone else. there would be a point in the population statistics where the world had irrevocably gone mutant that which ever asshole had their finger on the button would push it.

So while Humans are on top they would build death camps for mutants, but after a shift in power places mutants as top dog, they would build rape camps for humans.

A line from X2...

"Only men can pass on the mutant gene to their children."

Well I guess Homosapiens might have an interest in building rape camps too.

(I say rapecamp becuase historically such things have existed, but if science is in charge, it's going to be about artificial insemination vs. sterilization... Which is also something that has happened historically.)

 

[CaptainCanada]

Which is dumb, because the world was already going through the Cold War which had them ALREADY more paranoid and militarized than the world of 2000. His actions would have just provoked a mutant holocaust/war when most mutants still weren't aware of what they were and thus easier to round up.

With the power Magneto was throwing around, I think he would have easily crippled the American government had he not been stopped by the X-Men.

 

[Professor Zoom]

But he had no other way in X-men to do what he was trying to do. In X3, he could've gotten the handguns destroyed AND still had his forces intact. But how it played out: he lost a chunk of his forces for no good reason. That's just stupid.

The guns were all plastic, as were the darts. He couldn't stop them.

That's why, if you recall, it was a different mutant that knocked them all apart, out of the guards hands.

It was right after he sent in the "pawns," they got shot, and then he had one of his right hand mutants do whatever their power was. I think it was a woman.

So, if she could do it, why did he wait and lose a chunk of his forces?

 

[Anwar]

Which is dumb, because the world was already going through the Cold War which had them ALREADY more paranoid and militarized than the world of 2000. His actions would have just provoked a mutant holocaust/war when most mutants still weren't aware of what they were and thus easier to round up.

With the power Magneto was throwing around, I think he would have easily crippled the American government had he not been stopped by the X-Men.

That he got stopped by a bullet made by the anti-mutant department (Stryker) says otherwise.

 

[Anwar]

But he had no other way in X-men to do what he was trying to do. In X3, he could've gotten the handguns destroyed AND still had his forces intact. But how it played out: he lost a chunk of his forces for no good reason. That's just stupid.

The guns were all plastic, as were the darts. He couldn't stop them.

That's why, if you recall, it was a different mutant that knocked them all apart, out of the guards hands.

It was right after he sent in the "pawns," they got shot, and then he had one of his right hand mutants do whatever their power was. I think it was a woman.

So, if she could do it, why did he wait and lose a chunk of his forces?

To get them out there with their weapons drawn where they could be seen, gauged and it could be quickly determined if she'd be able to neutralize them.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Exactly. Magneto even said, "Let the pawns go first". And the mutant that destroyed the plastic weapons was Arclight, one of Maurauders in the comics, IIRC.

 

[CaptainCanada]

That he got stopped by a bullet made by the anti-mutant department (Stryker) says otherwise.

Seeing as Stryker was apparently the only one there who had one, not really. Doesn't suggest there's a ton of plastic weaponry in the capital, and if he can do what he did to RFK Stadium, he could just crush the Pentagon and any other military installations without getting very close to them.

 

[Tosk]

re:X3 Magneto didn't know what he was up against.

"In chess, the pawns go first"
Mutants rush forwards.
Army runs in.
"Homo-sapiens and their guns" [Tries to manipulate the guns, fails]
"Plastic. They've learned."

 

[Professor Zoom]

The guns were all plastic, as were the darts. He couldn't stop them.

That's why, if you recall, it was a different mutant that knocked them all apart, out of the guards hands.

It was right after he sent in the "pawns," they got shot, and then he had one of his right hand mutants do whatever their power was. I think it was a woman.

So, if she could do it, why did he wait and lose a chunk of his forces?

To get them out there with their weapons drawn where they could be seen, gauged and it could be quickly determined if she'd be able to neutralize them.

Because announcing your attack by dropping the Golden Gate Bridge at their door wouldn't get them out there? As I recall, the soldiers were running towards the mutants on the bridge with the weapons drawn. So, they were already out.

And how could people being shot determine if she would be able to neutralize them? Wouldn't trying to do it ACTUALLY determine whether or not it was going to work?

I have a feeling, we are going to have to agree to disagree.

It, also, of course, begs the question, why didn't Magneto just DROP the Golden Gate Bridge on Alcatraz over and over until it was dust? No fuss no muss.

 

[Anwar]

Same reason he didn't just drop the stadium on the White House. They'd want to search ever crook and cranny at Alcatraz for secret areas and stuff the bridge drop wouldn't affect.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Same reason he didn't just drop the stadium on the White House. They'd want to search ever crook and cranny at Alcatraz for secret areas and stuff the bridge drop wouldn't affect.

I think, actually, with the stadium, he created a defensive ring for himself around the White House so it would be a lot harder for them to get reinforcements.

Edit to add: And if he dropped the stadium on the White House, he wouldn't have had an opportunity to give his speech to the cameras and the world. He woulda been shouting from the sky as everyone ran away. So, that wouldn't work.

And, also: how do you know what they'd want to do in Alcatraz? They wanted to destroy the cure and the source of the cure. That we know. They didn't talk about, "oh, yeah, and let's find the secret rooms, I bet you there are secret rooms." That's just conjecture on your part.

 

[Mr Light]

Yeah at first Magneto carrying the baseball stadium just seemed ridiculously unnecessary, until he plopped it around the White House and I realized he was just blocked off the area so nobody could get in or out and the President would be trapped.

Of course, Magneto carrying the Golden Gate Bridge to Alcatrax was ALSO ridiculously unnecessary as well so least he was being true to form

 

[Anwar]

Same reason he didn't just drop the stadium on the White House. They'd want to search ever crook and cranny at Alcatraz for secret areas and stuff the bridge drop wouldn't affect.

I think, actually, with the stadium, he created a defensive ring for himself around the White House so it would be a lot harder for them to get reinforcements.

Edit to add: And if he dropped the stadium on the White House, he wouldn't have had an opportunity to give his speech to the cameras and the world. He woulda been shouting from the sky as everyone ran away. So, that wouldn't work.

And, also: how do you know what they'd want to do in Alcatraz? They wanted to destroy the cure and the source of the cure. That we know. They didn't talk about, "oh, yeah, and let's find the secret rooms, I bet you there are secret rooms." That's just conjecture on your part.

Yes, and since they knew that the Cure people knew that other powerful mutants would come for them Magneto anticipated that it wouldn't be as easy as just blowing up/crushing the main building and it might take than that if there were any secrets in the place. And he turned out to be right.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

So what you're saying is that new wave music is responsible?

That's a shame, I like The Cure.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Robert Smith kicks Sentinel ass. Or he probably would, given his battle against Mecha-Streisand...

 

[Mr Light]

Sometimes I miss early era South Park...