The sixth doctor debate

[Sindatur]

I thought Big Finish had it as he swapped to blue in their later stories, and canon says he switches back after picking Mel up again. Though I guess technically we don't 'see' it there.

Real Time, with Evelyn Smythe is Flash Animated and he is wearing the solid blue coat, so, that's kinda Canonical Onscreen Evidence (BBC was involved in making it, correct?)

Yeah, but the thing with that is, Real Time is sorta non-canon - and by sorta, I mean by the mouth of its writer.

That said, I SO prefer the Sixth with the blue coat. So much easier in the eye, and helps him have his own personality.

Well... if you're gonna bring facts in

Ah, didn't know the Writer declared it Non-Canon

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Yeah, but the thing with that is, Real Time is sorta non-canon - and by sorta, I mean by the mouth of its writer.

That said, I SO prefer the Sixth with the blue coat. So much easier in the eye, and helps him have his own personality.

Well... if you're gonna bring facts in

Ah, didn't know the Writer declared it Non-Canon

I wasn't aware of that, either. I know that Gary Russell has said that the story needs the sequel that we'll neither see or hear, but that's a different thing; we can simply infer that the cliffhanger does, at some point, get resolved.

I knew that Cornell said that The Scream of the Shalka was now "Unbound," but that's sort of a given. (Though now, perhaps, Shalka is an early War Doctor story.)

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ I still say they should've had John Hurt play Dr Simeon/ Great Intelligence and Richard E. Grant the War Doctor, thus bringing Shalka back into the canon.

 

[starsuperion]

Is Your Caps Lock Giving You Trouble?

No, It's The Autotext Feature On My Tablet And Phone. When I Use My Laptop It's Not A Problem..I Just Need To Figure Out How To Disable The Autotext Feature..

 

[Professor Zoom]

1. The Sixth Doctor, brilliant. I've always liked him, even with his shitty stories. I think he's the boldest of them all, strode into trouble facing it head on, and shouted truth to power...rather then just offering them a jelly baby.

2. Canon. One of the things that I have always liked about Doctor Who... it's lack of "canon." It's not Star Trek trying to wedge it all together into a coherent whole. Doctor Who just is.

 

[Iamnotspock]

2. Canon. One of the things that I have always liked about Doctor Who... it's lack of "canon." It's not Star Trek trying to wedge it all together into a coherent whole. Doctor Who just is.

Ad yet, aside from a one or two glaring things, UNIT dating for one, it mostly hangs together pretty well.

 

[diankra]

2. Canon. One of the things that I have always liked about Doctor Who... it's lack of "canon." It's not Star Trek trying to wedge it all together into a coherent whole. Doctor Who just is.

Ad yet, aside from a one or two glaring things, UNIT dating for one, it mostly hangs together pretty well.

Well... yes. When there are contradictions, there's often a gap of a few centuries where something that explains it away could have happened.
And if that doesn't work, shout Time War!

 

[starsuperion]

2. Canon. One of the things that I have always liked about Doctor Who... it's lack of "canon." It's not Star Trek trying to wedge it all together into a coherent whole. Doctor Who just is.

Ad yet, aside from a one or two glaring things, UNIT dating for one, it mostly hangs together pretty well.

Well... yes. When there are contradictions, there's often a gap of a few centuries where something that explains it away could have happened.
And if that doesn't work, shout Time War!

well as someone trying to make sense of the technology, technobabble and physics, it is frustrating to me when there are contradictions. Yet, to Zoom, you probably won't like what I am doing then, because I am taking the Star Trek route so to speak, to create a coherent whole for Time Lord and Tardis technology..

 

[publiusr]

The regeneration crisis that began with the spider toxin came to a head with Colin, and seemed to settle down thereafter. The seventh doctor seemed free from its effects.

 

[DWF]

The regeneration crisis that began with the spider toxin came to a head with Colin, and seemed to settle down thereafter. The seventh doctor seemed free from its effects.

If you're talking about spectrox toxemia it was created by bats and the regeneration took care of it. But the trauma of such a hurried regeneration was probably responsible for the sixth Doctor regeration crisis.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Ad yet, aside from a one or two glaring things, UNIT dating for one, it mostly hangs together pretty well.

Well... yes. When there are contradictions, there's often a gap of a few centuries where something that explains it away could have happened.
And if that doesn't work, shout Time War!

well as someone trying to make sense of the technology, technobabble and physics, it is frustrating to me when there are contradictions. Yet, to Zoom, you probably won't like what I am doing then, because I am taking the Star Trek route so to speak, to create a coherent whole for Time Lord and Tardis technology..

I don't like or dislike it, to be honest. It's just not something I'm particularly interested in. Technobabble is the perfect word, because that's what it is. Babble. Nonsense for the most part. It's made up physics. Physics that needs to be there in order for the Doctor to do something. It sounds good, but, it doesn't always make sense if you look to closely. (As does almost every single story involving time travel.)

And it doesn't bother me because I don't care HOW the Tardis works, as long as it does. The Tardis is an excuse (a fantastic excuse) to tell stories. The Tardis is a magic carpet that drops the Doctor off in a place to have an adventure. And 9 times out of 10, the Tardis doesn't matter, it literally is a device to get the Doctor into a story.

To me, there's no point in trying to make sense of the nonsense. As long as they are consist with stuff, I don't care if the details don't always add up.

In the end, if I'm paying attention to the change of the Chronal Inverter Pod, then that means the story I'm watching is a big pile of shit.

 

[starsuperion]

Well... yes. When there are contradictions, there's often a gap of a few centuries where something that explains it away could have happened.
And if that doesn't work, shout Time War!

well as someone trying to make sense of the technology, technobabble and physics, it is frustrating to me when there are contradictions. Yet, to Zoom, you probably won't like what I am doing then, because I am taking the Star Trek route so to speak, to create a coherent whole for Time Lord and Tardis technology..

I don't like or dislike it, to be honest. It's just not something I'm particularly interested in. Technobabble is the perfect word, because that's what it is. Babble. Nonsense for the most part. It's made up physics. Physics that needs to be there in order for the Doctor to do something. It sounds good, but, it doesn't always make sense if you look to closely. (As does almost every single story involving time travel.)

And it doesn't bother me because I don't care HOW the Tardis works, as long as it does. The Tardis is an excuse (a fantastic excuse) to tell stories. The Tardis is a magic carpet that drops the Doctor off in a place to have an adventure. And 9 times out of 10, the Tardis doesn't matter, it literally is a device to get the Doctor into a story.

To me, there's no point in trying to make sense of the nonsense. As long as they are consist with stuff, I don't care if the details don't always add up.

In the end, if I'm paying attention to the change of the Chronal Inverter Pod, then that means the story I'm watching is a big pile of shit.

lmao!. Well I don't have any problems with any fans who wish to view the show from that perspective. Just in my case, I've spent twelve years studying physics, and trying to make sense of it all. Tho many things were probably written as writer outs, or devices for plots, I think for the most part, I pretty much have it down as to how the machine works. Its just the aesthetics of the core components that need to be done, the rest because of its ability to jumble up and control particles via its matter projectors and architectural reconfiguration facilities which make it look magical and like it can become anything..

 

[publiusr]

The regeneration crisis that began with the spider toxin came to a head with Colin, and seemed to settle down thereafter. The seventh doctor seemed free from its effects.

If you're talking about spectrox toxemia it was created by bats and the regeneration took care of it. But the trauma of such a hurried regeneration was probably responsible for the sixth Doctor regeration crisis.

The third doctor got bit by a huge spider--that was when we saw him seem to get ever younger. Ironically, venom can allow longevity. I remember a man who handled Cobras. His hands looked like claws from all the bites, but he lived a long time.

 

[starsuperion]

The ultimate injustice, was to have colin on that bike working out in the console room no doubt, with Mel..I mean, really?? Yea he was becoming over weight, but probably due to the on set of depression from that jerk of a producer who stole his wife.. I mean with all that's wrong and all that's right in those seasons, its hard to say whether he was a great doctor, or just a great doctor with horrible surrounding direction, and production. Honestly that's a prime example of the wrong people having the control of that series..

I watched some interviews, and there were actually people working on the show, who had the intention of killing it off on purpose. I just couldn't believe it..they had an inbuilt biased to it as a genre. I mean yes, it was always there from the start, but at least then it was outside the show, but to have it from the actual people within the production, was horrible. That wasn't being fair to Colin, nor the other actors trying to make it work and give their all.

 

[Sindatur]

The regeneration crisis that began with the spider toxin came to a head with Colin, and seemed to settle down thereafter. The seventh doctor seemed free from its effects.

If you're talking about spectrox toxemia it was created by bats and the regeneration took care of it. But the trauma of such a hurried regeneration was probably responsible for the sixth Doctor regeration crisis.

The third doctor got bit by a huge spider--that was when we saw him seem to get ever younger. Ironically, venom can allow longevity. I remember a man who handled Cobras. His hands looked like claws from all the bites, but he lived a long time.

When did Pertwee's Doctor get bit by a Spider? Three died from Radiation Poisoning on Giant-Spider Infested Metabelus III.

Five, however, allowed a snake to bite him in Snakedance, in order to gain information for his second fight against The Mara.

 

[publiusr]

That's right that's right--rad poison.. another senior moment of mine.

 

[Sindatur]

The ultimate injustice, was to have colin on that bike working out in the console room no doubt, with Mel..I mean, really?? Yea he was becoming over weight, but probably due to the on set of depression from that jerk of a producer who stole his wife.. I mean with all that's wrong and all that's right in those seasons, its hard to say whether he was a great doctor, or just a great doctor with horrible surrounding direction, and production. Honestly that's a prime example of the wrong people having the control of that series..

I watched some interviews, and there were actually people working on the show, who had the intention of killing it off on purpose. I just couldn't believe it..they had an inbuilt biased to it as a genre. I mean yes, it was always there from the start, but at least then it was outside the show, but to have it from the actual people within the production, was horrible. That wasn't being fair to Colin, nor the other actors trying to make it work and give their all.

In, An Adventure in Space and Time, Sydney Newman was shown to be opposed to the direction Verity Lambert was taking the Series with, with the first Dalek Story.

I realize it's a Docudrama, not a Documentary, but, that's a pretty big thing to alter, so, I tend to believe it unless someone can show me otherwise. So, that's inside the Production wanting to shut it down

 

[starsuperion]

I Remember That. Tho It Did Seem Like Sidney NewMan Was A Bit More Open Minded..I Forgo The Directors Name But In The 5Th Doctor Five Doctors Special There Was An Interview Where One Director Said He Was Actively Working To Sink The Show..

 

[Sindatur]

I Remember That. Tho It Did Seem Like Sidney NewMan Was A Bit More Open Minded..I Forgo The Directors Name But In The 5Th Doctor Five Doctors Special There Was An Interview Where One Director Said He Was Actively Working To Sink The Show..

In AAiSaT, Sydney was ready to fire Verity and shut the show down, but, yea, he didn't actually sabotage it, and he came around once he saw it was a hit.

 

[Dukhat]

Okay fellow brilliant Whovians and Trekkers.. I am just watching for the first time, the Twin dilema.. and I must say, adulation and memories of adolescent drooling over Peri aside, who is to blame for his costume choice? I mean really, it seems as if the director or producer had it in for him from the start. I mean it is almost like they were trying to create a comic book like character akin to the 1960s Batman serials with Adam West.. I mean honestly what a horrible choice of outfit. I just had to stop watching to vent a little.. I mean whats the significance of the cat pin on the lapel? the Broccoli has a history, but the cat pin? And the polka dotted tie with that horrible mismatched jacket?? I mean come on...

And what is with the writers always making him bombastic and lude..near arrogant and tetchy..I always thought colin baker had a sort of regal and yet Tom baker quality about him, like in the Invasion of time, and a bit of the 3rd doctor as well.. But now that I am going down the rabbit hole of the 6th Doctor, I am mortified by the costume choice..It is like a subconscious barrier that makes me somehow shy away from revisiting these episodes.. I am aware there are some stories which are monumental in their implications on the canon of the whoniverse. Like a few and I mean just a few of the 7th doctor serials are worthy in my estimation, but the bombastic and loud off hand mismatched persona of the 6th doctor is off putting and doesn't come across as eccentric, it comes across as bipolar..

Is this Colin's doing, or the forces that were out to get him, or steal his wife.. which was a full on tragedy and just plain wrong.. although it does take two...

This is not official by any means, but I once read somewhere that the goofy outfits post-Tom Baker were John Nathan-Turner's doing. Apparently he felt that the Doctor and his companions needed to be wearing "costumes" instead of actual normal clothing for some unfathomable reason. I believe both Peter Davison and Colin Baker absolutely hated wearing their outfits. Not to mention Nicola Bryant, whom it was hard to take seriously when she's on some dangerous alien planet wearing nothing more than short shorts, high heels and a top that barely held her boobs inside of it.

I think that's why both Baker and Bryant did the "Stranger and Ms. Brown" series, since it was way more what each character envisioned themselves doing in DW.

And as for Colin's performance in DW...There were problems right from the start. IMHO, Davison was just hitting his stride when he decided to quit. Caves of Androzani was his best episode, and had he continued with the series for several more years, I think a lot of fans would be praising his accolades over even Tom Baker. So out goes this young-but-getting-mature, handsome, innocent Doctor, and wham! In comes this older, meaner guy with the most idiotic duds in the history of the show. It also didn't help that he tried to kill Peri (who also didn't help by having such a fake American accent). And to top it off, most of his episodes sucked.

However, I also feel that Colin was treated quite unfairly during the debacle where he was fired. That whole situation was FUBAR, and he was caught in the middle. I guess he was just the wrong Doctor at the wrong time. It's a pity so many fans view him that way.