How many other Indian characters was he cast as?
I like STID. Is that wrong?
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How many other Indian characters was he cast as?
Closest I saw was Gypsy on Combat.
Don't forget Colonel Noel Bartley Vautrain, Southern gentleman (late of the Confederate States Army.)
I enjoyed Cumberbatch's version of Khan quite a bit - his performance was brilliantly, coldly menacing and the writers really returned the character to something like the version in "Space Seed," which is always the version I preferred. Granted, the TWOK character seems to be the more popular now, but Montalban was reduced there to an operatic, scenery-chewing attempt to get something out of a two-dimensional villain (but then, he was "mad" - aren't they always just?).
Do you really think Khan was that cold and calculating in Space Seed?
I think the Space Hippies were worse - attempting to kill the ship's crew in order to have Eden for themselves .
The Khan in Space Seed was quite happy to rule the minions while Cumberbatch wanted to wipe out the underlings.
Khan only resorted to destroying the Enterprise in Space Seed when it was clear that he wasn't going to win. I think he would have kept the crew alive if only to show off how superior he was.(if it didn't inconvenience him too much of course).
He does like an audience.I enjoyed Cumberbatch's version of Khan quite a bit - his performance was brilliantly, coldly menacing and the writers really returned the character to something like the version in "Space Seed," which is always the version I preferred. Granted, the TWOK character seems to be the more popular now, but Montalban was reduced there to an operatic, scenery-chewing attempt to get something out of a two-dimensional villain (but then, he was "mad" - aren't they always just?
Do you really think Khan was that cold and calculating in Space Seed?
I think the Space Hippies were worse - attempting to kill the ship's crew in order to have Eden for themselves .
The Khan in Space Seed was quite happy to rule the minions while Cumberbatch wanted to wipe out the underlings.
Khan only resorted to destroying the Enterprise in Space Seed when it was clear that he wasn't going to win. I think he would have kept the crew alive if only to show off how superior he was.(if it didn't inconvenience him too much of course).
Though he was willing to kill each member of the crew one by one till he got what he wanted
Space Seed said:
Saw the TOS third season first run on NBC in 1969 (I was age 6); and loved TOS (still the #1 series in my book); and have watched the rest of TNG era Star Trek; (well, I could only stomach ST:VOY up to "The 37's before I gave up watching that series); and also liked ENT a lot (especially Season 4); and I also LOVED "Star Trek: Into Darkness"; (and "Star Trek" (2009)) too.
So, what does the above mean (beyond the fact that I sometimes write long run on sentences)?
In the end, just saying don't worry about what others think RE: Whether you like something ore not because in the end, when it comes to entertainment, it's all subjective.
One thing that's consistent in all appearances is that when he knows he's lost Khan's impulse is Kill Everybody.
But that's just the writers of STID doing their research and understanding the character.
Yeh but Cumberbatch had won at the stage he tried to destroy the Enterprise.
I just wish that he'd had more reason to destroy the Enterprise at that stage, like they were hiding Admiral Marcus, or he'd hated Kirk for punching him (uselessly) or he'd admired Kirk a bit and didn't want him pursuing him around the galaxy. Just destroying the Enterprise for the sake of it seems a bit 'mad' to me. I'd have just preferred Khan to be a bit more honourable (bad but necessarily so) but he just turned out to be another megalomaniac nutter that we've seen in most of the Trek movies.
Isn't Cumberbatch pretty damn white in almost any picture?
One thing that's consistent in all appearances is that when he knows he's lost Khan's impulse is Kill Everybody.
But that's just the writers of STID doing their research and understanding the character.
Yeh but Cumberbatch had won at the stage he tried to destroy the Enterprise.
I just wish that he'd had more reason to destroy the Enterprise at that stage, like they were hiding Admiral Marcus, or he'd hated Kirk for punching him (uselessly) or he'd admired Kirk a bit and didn't want him pursuing him around the galaxy. Just destroying the Enterprise for the sake of it seems a bit 'mad' to me. I'd have just preferred Khan to be a bit more honourable (bad but necessarily so) but he just turned out to be another megalomaniac nutter that we've seen in most of the Trek movies.
I liked Khan best when he was working with Kirk. I have trouble seeing Khan as the villain in Into Darkness. Sure, they made him the villain for the last 20 minutes of the film, but it felt forced. Khan should have stayed as the kinda good anti-hero.
No, you see a few people complaining really loudly.
He's fair-skinned, yes, but the chosen Cumberbatch photo is washed out by camera flash, while the Montalban ("Space Seed") screencap has been darkened at least a shade or two - not what you'd call an honest contrast/compare.
One thing that's consistent in all appearances is that when he knows he's lost Khan's impulse is Kill Everybody.
But that's just the writers of STID doing their research and understanding the character.
Yeh but Cumberbatch had won at the stage he tried to destroy the Enterprise.
I just wish that he'd had more reason to destroy the Enterprise at that stage, like they were hiding Admiral Marcus, or he'd hated Kirk for punching him (uselessly) or he'd admired Kirk a bit and didn't want him pursuing him around the galaxy. Just destroying the Enterprise for the sake of it seems a bit 'mad' to me. I'd have just preferred Khan to be a bit more honourable (bad but necessarily so) but he just turned out to be another megalomaniac nutter that we've seen in most of the Trek movies.
I liked Khan best when he was working with Kirk. I have trouble seeing Khan as the villain in Into Darkness. Sure, they made him the villain for the last 20 minutes of the film, but it felt forced. Khan should have stayed as the kinda good anti-hero.
I think it would have been a nice twist and the end if Khan voluntarily saved Kirk and went somewhere with his followers to live in peace away from power-mad Admirals in Starfleet. For Khan to again choose exile but under his terms. They could do it in someway not to take anything away from Kirk or Spock.
At this stage Kirk and his crew are the only people that know who Khan is. Of course he's going to try to get rid of a possible future source of trouble.
I'd guess a fair amount of Starfleet top brass would have known but some of them may have been blown up by Khan.
If that were the reason I think it needed to be spelled out more.
If it's fairly obvious, why does it need to be spelled out? I always figured Kirk and Company were loose ends that would need to be eliminated.
Was it all that clear?
Why are Kirk and his crew loose ends anyway? What do they know that nobody else knows? Kirk and his crew were only a danger to Marcus. Khan was intending to nick off in space to parts unknown. Kirk and his crew knew nothing that could hurt Khan. They had a weaker ship. They lacked the 'killer instinct' according to Khan.
Yeh Khan could kill them off just for the heck of it but that just makes him a traditional thug villain. He knew Kirk was against Marcus and could expose his deeds to the Federation. Yet Khan spends time finishing off the Enterprise for what purpose? Showing his power off to the Federation and revealing himself.
There was also nothing Khan did that would stop Spock sending a message to Starfleet revealing the whole story anyway.
Montalban looks good in that white suit. He should wear one more often.
One can even see it get the same treatment today from certain fans who don't want to admit it's better than the new movies.
Why would anyone admit something that's patently false?
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