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Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

Anyone catch those coordinates?

"49 27 41 -80 3 40"

Which, when entered into Google Maps, gives "Unnamed Rd, Cochrane, Unorganized, North Part, ON P0L, Canada." It's in eastern Ontario near the Quebec border, about 120 miles south of the southernmost tip of Hudson Bay.

Other nearby landmarks include Porphyry Lake, and Little Porphyry Lake. There's some back roads in the area, but not much settlement by anyone if Google Earth and the Atlas of Canada web resources are anything to go by.
 
Out of curiosity I decided to check out the last couple episodes (after giving up on the show early on), and I have to say so far I'm liking this new direction a whole lot more. The dismantling of SHIELD and the threat from Hydra has given the show a much needed sense of urgency and unpredictability, and characters like Ward have suddenly become a lot more interesting (and I admire that they didn't wimp out on making him an actual villain).

That said, I do wish they would take a cue from Winter Soldier and up the sophistication of the writing a little more. Paxton's character is so cartoonishly evil he belongs in an episode of Chuck, and the nonstop, jokey dialogue makes it kinda hard to take anything all that seriously.

There's nothing wrong with having some lighter moments, but I still think the show would work a lot better (and draw in more viewers) if it just took itself a little more seriously.
I agree all though telling the SHIELD/Hydra mook to knock off the Nazi salute stuff was a cute way to deal with the issue.

^Except for singing away his humanity, becoming the masked vigilanty embodiment of an entire sentient universe planning to erase our own, and on losing the oppertunity to do so simply kills Giles in frustration.

That's before taking all of Los Angeles literally to hell and having them remain dead or horribly remembering every moment of it when it returns, never once thinking to take the fight to another branch of W&H which he conveniently forgot existed to lessen the damage.

Swell guy.
My reference was strictly to the events depicted in the T.V. show. I don't know anything about what you're referring to here.

It is the Buffy spin-off Angel. Perhaps the post was to the wrong open window.
 
I'll start capping it when I start putting the periods in SHIELD, or everyone else puts the hyphen in Spider-Man.

SHIELD has been done both ways in the past. Given that NATO doesn't need periods and putting the periods in SHIELD would double the time it takes to write their name, I don't bother with that. But HYDRA doesn't take much more effort to capitalize. Spider-Man I'm getting better at. I'm used to Superman, which is why I never hyphenated it, but I realized I'm wrong and I'm trying to do it correctly.
 
IT'S HARD TO TELL IN COMIC BOOKS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY SPEAKS IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME, WITH OCCASIONAL BOLD FOR EMPHASIS!
I ONLY TAKE THINGS SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY ARE IN CAPS, BOLDED, ITALICIZED, AND UNDERLINED.

E.T.A.: E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. S.H.O.U.L.D. A.L.S.O. B.E. P.E.R.I.O.D.I.Z.E.D.
 
I never bother with periods in acronyms, only because I hate the way it looks.

Well, it was nice to see that Coulson has retained his idealism, if not necessarily his optimism. That may be the saving grace here. I just wish they would drop this forced conflict with May. If Coulson has been an agent since he was a teenager, he would understand what May was doing for him. It's out of character for him to be this childish and out of character for May not to call him on it.

I'm glad to see that Raina seems to be becoming a regular. She was always fascinating (maybe her gift is working on me). I loved her reaction to Garrett playing her; and I wonder what the question she wanted to ask is. Also, I'm glad to see Triplett on the bus. He'll make a good replacement for Ward, now that they've turned Ward into Garrett's boring puppy dog.

Hopefully this will turn into something more interesting than post-Apocalyptic frowning. I keep reminding myself of Babylon 5 to stay optimistic.
 
I'm enjoying the tension between Coulson and May.

And it confuses me when people underline things, because I try to click on them....
 
^This, thank you. In any case, he doesn't seem to be calling Garrett's shots. Garrett is calling Garrett's shots.

Don't get me wrong. I do think Garrett answers to people (at least in theory). I just don't think they necessarily control him. And, at least as far as this project is concerned, I agree that he is calling the shots.

As far as this goes, I'm surprised no one's mentioned the conversation that Garrett and Ward had early on in the episode when Ward was not happy about the order to shoot Skye. At some point Garrett said something along the lines of "hey, don't forget who this all is for, who is giving the orders here" I got the impression Garrett wasn't referencing himself, that there was a bigger picture here as far as what Garrett and Ward were working towards and who they were working for.
 
It would cool, and historically appropriate, if Garrett broke Centipede away from HYDRA the way the Red Skull broke HYDRA away from the Nazis. "Turn, Turn, Turn".
 
It would cool, and historically appropriate, if Garrett broke Centipede away from HYDRA the way the Red Skull broke HYDRA away from the Nazis. "Turn, Turn, Turn".

Except that Centipede isn't an organization, it's just the code name for a specific project to create supersoldiers -- analogously to how the SSR conducted Project Rebirth to create supersoldiers using Dr. Erskine's formula. We heard Garrett say to Raina "I'm putting you in charge of Project Centipede." It's evidently just of the irons Garrett has in the fire, along with the gravitonium project, the acquisition of powerful artifacts, etc.

I think if you're going to do a show called Agents of SHIELD, it makes sense to keep HYDRA around as the main recurring enemy. Different villains may have their own agendas, but the organization as a whole should remain relevant to the series. The only reason not to do that would be if the movies have dibs on HYDRA and the show therefore has to keep a distance from it -- but the midcredits scene of TWS implied that HYDRA may be considered old news as far as the future of the cinematic universe is concerned, which, if so, would make it fair game for the series.
 
^This, thank you. In any case, he doesn't seem to be calling Garrett's shots. Garrett is calling Garrett's shots.

Don't get me wrong. I do think Garrett answers to people (at least in theory). I just don't think they necessarily control him. And, at least as far as this project is concerned, I agree that he is calling the shots.

As far as this goes, I'm surprised no one's mentioned the conversation that Garrett and Ward had early on in the episode when Ward was not happy about the order to shoot Skye. At some point Garrett said something along the lines of "hey, don't forget who this all is for, who is giving the orders here" I got the impression Garrett wasn't referencing himself, that there was a bigger picture here as far as what Garrett and Ward were working towards and who they were working for.

While true, that line could also easily be read to say "don't forget you're doing this for me." In other words, the "who" could be Garrett. It would not be an odd use of English whether or not it's the correct interpretation (and I certainly doubt Garrett is in charge of HYDRA).
 
According to Wikipedia, HYDRA is not an acronym but a reference to the monster of greek mythology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HYDRA
The entry doesn't explain why HYDRA is all caps but it's probably due to 2 reasons.
1. There are real hydra's in the Marvel Universe
2. Certain character are called Hydra (ex. Madame Hydra).
Hence it's in all caps to show that we are talking about the organization.
 
As far as this goes, I'm surprised no one's mentioned the conversation that Garrett and Ward had early on in the episode when Ward was not happy about the order to shoot Skye. At some point Garrett said something along the lines of "hey, don't forget who this all is for, who is giving the orders here" I got the impression Garrett wasn't referencing himself, that there was a bigger picture here as far as what Garrett and Ward were working towards and who they were working for.
Interesting...I'll have to look for that as I catch up in my rewatching.

It would cool, and historically appropriate, if Garrett broke Centipede away from HYDRA the way the Red Skull broke HYDRA away from the Nazis. "Turn, Turn, Turn".
I'm under the impression that may be what the guy in the mid-credits scene of TWS is doing, though it's hard to tell.
 
Out of curiosity I decided to check out the last couple episodes (after giving up on the show early on), and I have to say so far I'm liking this new direction a whole lot more. The dismantling of SHIELD and the threat from Hydra has given the show a much needed sense of urgency and unpredictability, and characters like Ward have suddenly become a lot more interesting (and I admire that they didn't wimp out on making him an actual villain).

That said, I do wish they would take a cue from Winter Soldier and up the sophistication of the writing a little more. Paxton's character is so cartoonishly evil he belongs in an episode of Chuck, and the nonstop, jokey dialogue makes it kinda hard to take anything all that seriously.

There's nothing wrong with having some lighter moments, but I still think the show would work a lot better (and draw in more viewers) if it just took itself a little more seriously.
And, yes, Garrett is only missing a mustache he can twirl to complete his heel-turn into a cartoonish villain.
Yeah, I'm not seeing this at all. I think it is another case of good acting overcoming a pretty one dimensional (so far) character.

Paxton has been hitting it out of the park since he showed up and that was when we thought he was good. He is even better now that he's bad. He is striking just the right tone as a guy who can persuade his men to change life long allegiances using charm and charisma. And because Paxton is so good, everyone he has scenes with tend to play off his character really well. Brett Dalton is thriving in his scenes with Paxton. I would have loved to have seen Garrett and Hand trying to work together.

I wonder how long Ward lasts (in the show). He has to die. The only question would seem to be when, how, and will he get a redemptive moment -- like maybe giving his life to save the team or one of the team. On the other hand, I suppose could be like Boomer on nuBSG, tormenting the team periodically and always getting away until the show's final season.
 
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