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Okay guys. *This* really IS a good idea for a new series.

This is why we need a straight reboot. I mean, if this entire forum isn't proof that Trek fans need a serious continuity detox, I don't know what is.

The question then becomes what form such a straight reboot would take?

I still hold that going back to Gene's original pitch and using the raw material to build a new series from scratch would be the best way to go in that regard. :)
 
This is why we need a straight reboot. I mean, if this entire forum isn't proof that Trek fans need a serious continuity detox, I don't know what is.

The question then becomes what form such a straight reboot would take?

I still hold that going back to Gene's original pitch and using the raw material to build a new series from scratch would be the best way to go in that regard. :)

Some thoughts:

If you want to get back to somewhat familiar Trek and yet escape the shackles of the past you have a few options. One is to set it far enough in the future where you don't feel obligated to make overt references to the past. Another is simply make it a firm rule that you're not going to talk about what happened in the other productions. Just stay away from what was done before as much as possible. This is probably the safest bet while still allowing you creative freedom.

Another route is reboot with a fresh look that offers a nod to what came before but simply doesn't share that previous continuity. This would be the more contentious route, but if your spiritual nods are largely good then you should be able to get away with it.

Besides technobabble if I had to name one thing that is a creative shackle on Trek is continuity porn. I know there are a lot of fans who love having everyone know each other and everything tied together and hearing call outs and references to previous works, but that stuff is creatively smothering.

Don't do it. Leave that to the realm of fanfic.

In TMP and TWOK and TNG and ENT and even in (heaven forbid) JJtrek one can say, "Hey, this is what it really looked like."

TMP is a good example because we are being asked to squint and believe it plausible that the Trek universe went from looking the way it did in TOS to how it looked in TMP within three years. We accept it because we want to, but it doesn't have to be like that. One could say TMP was the more realistic view of the Trek universe and what was seen in TOS was a simplified/stylized approximation.

Or put another way: TOS and TMP are parallel timelines where identical events happened in both only they each looked different. So from TMP's perspective every thing that preceded it had a similar aesthetic. And from TOS' perspective everything that followed reflected its aesthetic. That means in TMP's timeline the pre-refit Enterprise and Starfleet and Klingons and everything looked more detailed, and in TOS' timeline the refit and everything else is just slightly more evolved looking (except Klingons who still look like they did in TOS).

It's not the explanation, but just one explanation, a different perspective.


With that in mind one could reboot Trek while retaining many familiar references within the creative conceit that this is how it's always been. Indeed this is how JJ could have rebooted Trek and without the deconstruction of everything else. His starting point could simply have been Pike transfering command to Kirk along with the introduction of each character and how they learn to work together. Everything can look drastically different even as other things are still comfortably familiar.

You could reboot Trek a la TNG idea: a new Enterprise in the 26th or 29th century with an entirely new crew setting out at the beginning of a new era of exploration after the Federation has regrouped after a long hard fought war (with whomever). Maybe the Kelvans from Andromeda came calling after all and the protracted conflict changed a great deal in the quadrant. Maybe there are still pockets of Kelvans still loose. The Enterprise (and other ships) could sometimes encounter former Federation member worlds and seek to have them rejoin. Maybe the Romulans are now a much more influential power and the Klingons are a shadow of what they once were.

This is just one idea and it could look very different from came before. You don't have to rationalize the past, but just keep any references to the past in general terms. You could still squint and say it's all one continuity or just accept it as this is the way it has always been.

Deep down I would like to see Star Trek return to television. Of course having my own preferences a great deal would depend on the form it would take.

The Star Trek I know and love is gone. It exists only in memory and on DVD and Blu-Ray. The only other way that Star Trek can continue is through fan productions. No network is going to restore it to television in prime time.

That isn't to say aspects of it cannot be perpetuated within a new form. It can and the new could take different forms.

I think now it isn't advantageous nor truly desirable to remain tied to previous continuities. Whether it be Prime Universe or Abramsverse we should let it be and go forward. Learn and understand the best elements of the most successful Treks---TOS and TNG---and adapt them to the new form.

One thing I think is absolutely essential to return to is a core element of the best Star Trek: an adult approach. This doesn't mean gratuitous and graphic sex and violence, but rather a mature approach in tone. This also doesn't mean excluding the young at heart because the visual spectacle and sense of adventure can draw the youthful viewer just as it did for many of us when we were younger. But by working on multiple levels the show can appeal to varying age groups.

Another element I think matters is a return to ideas and issues periodically explored amidst the adventure. This was yet another core element that set Star Trek apart from the competition. It doesn't have to be heavy-handed (although occasionally it can be), but it does re-affirm the notion that popular entertainment can still have something to say and provoke thought and discussion.

If we forego those two core elements then whatever we're doing is no different than what everyone else is doing. And if that is the chosen approach then you might as well not bother doing Star Trek.

For myself I would prefer quality over quantity. To that end I would plan for something fitting a 10-13 episode season. I might go with each season having some sort of arc or plot threads running through it, but there needn't be a huge arc running throughout the series. Indeed I think this approach would make the show more accessible.

You could reboot the familiar characters in a revamped setting or introduce a new group in a revamped setting. Whichever route taken it isn't tied to what came before. That doesn't mean you can't make general references to similar events, but we are accepting that this is separate from the previous continuity.

I cherish what came before, but it can't be done that way anymore except in some much smaller scale form. But what I love about what came before can be adapted into a new form. And this has been done before when you've watched other non Trek productions and yet gotten a familiar vibe from them.

That could be done again with something that actually is Star Trek.

I'm going to further stick my foot in it.

I really like STC because it perpetuates the Star Trek I love. But I know that something like STC most probably would never fly as studio made Trek broadcast on a network.

To that end any new Trek will have to step away from what looks familiar. It won't look like TOS or TNG or DS9 or VOY or ENT or JJtrek. It could be like a fresh space adventure, but called Star Trek.

For one thing I'd go back to something that really struck me so very long ago when I first started watching TOS. At the time I thought Star Trek looked so much cooler and so much more advanced than what else was being done. Part of that was how it was shown, that veneer of credibility. I would want to revisit that sense in looking at some of the most cutting edge ideas and different approaches to aesthetics and design than what everyone else is doing.

Suffice to say the idea is that a new Star Trek wouldn't look like anything else being done. A new Trek would look beyond simply redressing what it has already done.

A reboot can take two basic approaches.

When TNG premiered we had something of an arms length reboot, at least in the beginning. Essentially the idea was to supposedly be set within the same continuity as what came before, but avoiding a lot of overt references to what came before. Any references to the past were usually tangental and vague. Note in TNG's "The Naked Now" the crew of the E-D discover that the TOS Enterprise crew dealt with a similar situation. But they refer to the previous event and who is associated with it as if it could have been just anybody. There's no, "OMG, the great Kirk dealt with this, too?" kind of thing. It was just another ship in another time. Of course, this would change as the series progressed (in fits-and-starts) and throughout the other spin-off series. It happens again in DS9 during their first Mirror Universe encounter where Bashir has heard of Kirk but Kira hasn't.

This actually would be one way to approach a future series reboot set in a post TNG period or even one concurrent with TOS, TMP or TNG (and DS9 and VOY are essentially TNG era). If you're not doing the familiar characters then set your stories off somewhere else and keep the references few and vague.

The other option is to cut the umbilical cord. Keep some core familiar elements and fashion everything else from a clean sheet. This would work whether you want to reboot the original characters and setting or if you want to do something completely unrelated. From this point one could have the Enterprise, Kirk and company, and everything else could be completely different and the period set in the 23rd, 26th or 30th century. You could do it as if you were building Star Trek from scratch. And you wouldn't be burdened by anachronisms of the past.

I love TOS and the current Star Trek Continues project, but even in enjoying those you have to shrug off some things that you simply wouldn't do today. This is one area where JJ missed the an opportunity because he wanted to keep a lot that was familiar and just move it around a bit.

I can easily envision rebooting TOS where you could recognize familiar elemnts and yet so much else would be different. The Enterprise could still be essentially a saucer with a support hull and nacelles, but the tech and hardware would be far in advance of anything seen in any Trek series or film or most anything else in SF in the visual medium. Communicators wouldn't be handheld or badges, but implants. Datapads would be even more multipupose than what current smartphones and tablets can do. A datapad could actually be merged with the tricorder. While I wouldn't copy the TMP uniforms to me they do indicate a general idea of looking more futuristic.

There are nuggets of ideas within all of Trek that were never really explored properly. Of course, there's also a lot outside of Trek that could be mined and adapted into a new Trek. TOS took a lot of already existing ideas and repackaged them into a new form that was daring and exciting for its time. Since TOS it has largely been mildly redressing those ideas. A new Star Trek could really push it forward. Depending how it's done I could see myself having my original Star Trek to cherish while still interested and excited about a new take on it. The beauty of this is it could draw existing fans as well as new ones and all the while not seem threatening to existing fans.

This is actually part of the issue some fans have with the current reboot. Instead of doing a complete clean restart they sought to tie it to what came before. Some fans are okay with that while others can feel it's disrespectful to the original materiel. In Abrams' version the original continuity has been wiped away and its not hard to see how that could piss off some people. But with a completely new restart that doesn't happen. It's like doing Star Trek set in a parallel universe not at all connected to the original even though some of it is familiar.

Think about this if you're willing to really let your imagination wander. Imagine, for a moment, what could have been done with ENT if it had been a complete reboot. You have a Kirk and Spock (and the rest) instead of Archer and T'Pol (and the rest) and the Enterprise (looking somewhat more advanced than what we can do today) being one of the very first to really head out there. It's the mid 22nd century and other than Vulcans no one familar at all has been encountered yet. You can completely rewrite everything. Or maybe the Enterprise is a fast reletavistic ship with a voyage that will last hundreds of years even as it will only be a few years to the crew (and the human lifespan can be 150 years). And again you can completely rewrite everything going forward. There really are a lot of possibilities.

A lot of fans can yearn for part of what came before to be revived, but in all honesty I don't think you can really do that anymore, at least not for anything beyond a web based fan production. If you want this to work for a primetime audience you have to push it forward. If you don't then you risk a lot of potential viewers possibly shrugging it off as same-old-same-old...again.

Just because one version of reboot doesn't work for you doesn't mean no version of reboot won't ever work for you.

WNMHGB, TOS, TAS, TMP, TWOK-TUC, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, ST09.

Strictly speaking each one was a reboot after NBC declined to accept Star Trek as initially depicted in "The Cage." And it's still debated about how all of that fits together. Some people accept them all as a whole while others only accept it in parts.

James Bond, Superman, Batman, Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes and many others have all been rebooted in varying degrees. The essential elements in all have been perpetuated without being slavishly tied to the details of what came before.

There is no reason it couldn't be done with Trek.

Yes, we can understand the trepidation, the fear, that fans can have over any reimagining of their favourite characters and universe and all tied to it. Believe me, I get that. But we can't be blinded to the fact those things we like can and mostly will be reinterpreted eventually.

When we like something we can develop an emotional possession of it. We take it to heart and heavan help anyone who messes with it. We take it personally. But that doesn't preclude others from also understanding how we feel and can also create something new that can still perpetuate those things we love.
 
This is why we need a straight reboot. I mean, if this entire forum isn't proof that Trek fans need a serious continuity detox, I don't know what is.

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I suspect it has the same flaw as the transwarp beaming from TNG - use it a few times and it kills you. Not great for long term exploration, maybe okay to beam Kirk and Scotty once, and Khan was relatively unaffected because of his healing ability. Certainly doesn't obsolete the fleet.

Plus you still have to know where you're going. That's there's something to beam too. Transwarp beaming might work great if you're going to a charted planet with known orbital cycles, and where you know what interstellar and local star anomalies might be in the way. But try "shooting blind" and you're could end up beaming into a void or scattered from one end of the galaxy to the other.

Getting there is never the problem, you still need a map to let you know how to get there.
 
I suspect it has the same flaw as the transwarp beaming from TNG - use it a few times and it kills you. Not great for long term exploration, maybe okay to beam Kirk and Scotty once, and Khan was relatively unaffected because of his healing ability. Certainly doesn't obsolete the fleet.
But one hypospray of Khan/Augment's blood and you're fighting fit once again, so that's no longer a problem.
 
I suspect it has the same flaw as the transwarp beaming from TNG - use it a few times and it kills you. Not great for long term exploration, maybe okay to beam Kirk and Scotty once, and Khan was relatively unaffected because of his healing ability. Certainly doesn't obsolete the fleet.
But one hypospray of Khan/Augment's blood and you're fighting fit once again, so that's no longer a problem.
Well, I didn't say I don't have a problem with the blood thing. I do. But without it, the transwarp beaming issue might not be a problem. And with it, there's a whole lot more that gets screwed up than *just* the transwarp beaming. ;)
 
The question with that is, who is going to have the balls to attempt such a task? And would they be willing to do an actual reboot, to make things drastically different?

If they rebooted TOS, would they have a bisexual Kirk, Ms Spock and an African-American McCoy? Or would it just be a case of recasting (again) and repackaging stories with new special effects?
 
They would give the show the Battlestar Galactica Reboot treatment. I see no other option. The names Kirk, Spock and Bones have to be in the next television series. Must be. I cannot imagine CBS trying out a new crew, new century, new ... whatever ... when the TOS brand sells fine. All it needs is some rearranging ... some seasoning ... some tarting up. That's all ... :p
 
The question with that is, who is going to have the balls to attempt such a task? And would they be willing to do an actual reboot, to make things drastically different?

If they rebooted TOS, would they have a bisexual Kirk, Ms Spock and an African-American McCoy? Or would it just be a case of recasting (again) and repackaging stories with new special effects?
The same question was asked when TNG was developed. The outcry from many fans was, "How can you do Star Trek without Kirk and company?"


And there are degrees of drastic. Here's but one example:

Captain James Kirk - transferring from command of a smaller and more combat oriented Starfleet vessel. He's replacing former ship's Captain, Christopher Pike, who commanded the Enterprise for its first six years.
Commander Nyota Uhura - she is the ship's Executive Officer and dubious of Pike's replacement. She is an experienced Contact Officer in dealing with alien races.
Lieutenant ILyik Spock - a young Vulcan/Romulan hybrid and ship's Science Officer.
Lieutenant Commander Lenora McCoy - recently assigned as ship's Chief Medical Officer.
Lieutenant Commander Montgomery Scott - a veteran spacer of many years and deeply involved in designing and building the Enterprise. He has been ship's Chief Engineer since launch and worked closely with Commodore Robert April who directed the new starship program.
Lieutenant S'ulu - a Medusan who must always wear a contact suit. He is the ship's exceptional HelmNav.
Lieutenant Olesya Chekov - ship's Chief of Security.


The setting is the 28th century. The Federation is recovering from a protracted war with the Romulan Empire ending forty years ago, a war that dragged for thirty years. The Federation had been a burgeoning alliance prior to the conflict encompassing many worlds and are now seeking to regroup its alliance. The war ended in a draw and both sides are intent on solidifying their status with current, former and new allies.

The Enterprise is among the vanguards, dispatched into the Sagittarius Arm to re-establish contact with former allies and resume exploration of unknown regions.

The Klingons - once leaders of a great empire who are rumoured to reside somewhere in the Sagittarius Arm. The Federation and the Romulans are each intent on finding if this mysterious race still exists.
The Andorians - allies of the Federation
The Gorn - allies of the Romulans



From this you have a great deal of familiar elements yet rearranged to some extent. But you're starting with a clean sheet in every other respect. Familar aliens don't have to look exatcly like or anything like what we've already had. The centuries of pre-history (post our contemporary times) becomes completely blank to be rewritten as desired. The science and technology is properly updated and extrapolated further than what we're already familiar with.

You can still have familiar elements. Zefram Cochrane could still have developed the space warp only the when and where he did it could be different. Sleeper ships and fast relativistic ships were used by Earth for a couple of centuries before the development of FTL warp drive. You could have a bit of rare Earth concept thrown in where the Federation was built up over centuries with fewer advanced races. The new Spock could be in a touchy position with some because he carries the blood of the enemy in his veins even though his father (or mother) is Vulcan.

This is but one example of fashioning something that is unmistakably Star Trek and yet it isn't bogged down by what came before neither does it erase what came before.
 
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If you're going to make that level of change, why not go all the way and call it something else entirely?
 
If you're going to make that level of change, why not go all the way and call it something else entirely?
You could, and thereby avoid a lot of hand-wringing from some fans. But this way you have a built in audience to get started.

The changes I'm suggesting aren't really all that drastic. Much of it lines up with what came before only you shift elements around a bit. It's really little different than a Superman or Batman reboot where everything is in place yet some of it is a bit different.

Now if the writing and acting and production are up to scratch then there's no reason it couldn't work.
 
This is why we need a straight reboot. I mean, if this entire forum isn't proof that Trek fans need a serious continuity detox, I don't know what is.

I would rather have stuck with the original continuity, but that ship has long since gone to warp. Yeah, a full reboot would be better than this half-assed alternate timeline that neither has the rich history of the Star Trek universe to craft stories from or the freedom to carve out its own path. It's a lose-lose situation.
 
Considering how disenchanted I had become with the existent continuity (let alone JJtrek) I would just assume they start from scratch.

I think it's also safe to say it's unlikely any successive relaunch will run several spin-off series and films.
 
Besides technobabble if I had to name one thing that is a creative shackle on Trek is continuity porn. I know there are a lot of fans who love having everyone know each other and everything tied together and hearing call outs and references to previous works, but that stuff is creatively smothering.
This.
 
Oh, I completely agree with you, sir - on both counts. Gene Roddenberry seemed to be toying with a very similar idea in the 1st Season TNG episode "CONSPIRACY," actually. But seemed to not want to commit to it fully, and enshrouded it in one of the most incompetently fabricated puppets I have ever seen in a STAR TREK series, before. Their only saving grace was that they were better executed than the marionettes in the original series episode "CATSPAW" -- but just barely! But Section 31 is just as lame as either or both of these. I really wish this element hadn't been introduced. But ... it has. It is what it is ...

So introducing a little darkness into Star Trek is wrong?
 
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