The Walking Dead Season 4

[TREK_GOD_1]

In fact, why did they run off in the wild blue yonder when it was not necessary? The Governor's small group was largely dead by the time Daryl destroyed the tank, so they did not have to run far.

I think it was because the prison was overrun with walkers shortly thereafter. They're everywhere by the time Michonne comes back, & not only had they spent much of their ammo & been split up, the fence had been run down by The Gov's army (Which was a pretty stupid strategy, come to think of it) WTF were they going to do with a fenceless prison?

The same thing they did when first finding / securing the prison--which had a partially destroyed fence, a giant hole in one of the walls, and walkers in the yard, not to mention the halls of the prison. Or, the same thing when inmate Andrew flooded the yard/halls with walkers. The other advantage was an increase in firepower, which was effective against the massive herd faced by Rick & Carl.

Ultimately, they were in the prison, and modified it to suit their defensive needs after (what is assumed to be) more than a year inside, so it is impossible to think they would have positions set up in case of a walker invasion?

I didn't mind that Michonne managed to walk among the zombies so much. I mean, it was a bit of a stretch, & they could have minimized that a bit had they covered her up in some guts like Rick & Glen in S1, but still, I'll get over that too. I clump that one in with the mystery of what zombies can & can't do. They get a little bit of slack where the sci-fi angle comes in, imho

Even in sci-fi/horror/fantasy, certain established rules matter, or there's no consistency. Michonne could walk in the middle of a pack undetected, yet Andrea had to kill a walker near the prison entrance, despite the use of another as "camouflage."

 

[TheSeeker]

Did I miss something about the Governor getting a bullet in the head?

After he beat the hell out of Rick, Michonne rammed her katana though his chest, & left him for dead. The Gov's girlfriend came out after having her daughter put down by him, & finished the job on him. I imagine they chose to show his bullet wound, to quell any possible thought that he might have survived

I'll have to watch it again. I thought he seemed to be conscious, implying that he would bounce back yet again.

Seems pretty definitive to me.

 

[Ryan8bit]

About a rendezvous point, where exactly would that even be? In the comics it was the farm, but that was because the farm wasn't overrun like on TV. It's not exactly like there's a safe place for them to be other than the prison. And at least they seemed to have an escape plan. The idea was that everybody was supposed to get on the bus, and if they don't, well that sucks but it's the same situation with Andrea and the farm. They also said something about an escape plan through the back where Tyreese and crew first came in, so it's not like they've completely blown off any such discussions.

I also think Michonne's walking with them was stretched a little bit though. Like was said, even when Andrea did it, the ones nearby could still tell a little. Maybe Andrea's not as good at walking with no emotion like Michonne though, which is what tipped her off.

 

[Scout101]

Maybe she's just such a wooden character (character, not actress) that they assume she's a walker too? Most of the walkers show more range of emotion than Michonne...

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Seems pretty definitive to me.

At this point, the Governor was dead for a few minutes, but his neck and cheeks are mangled. Walker bites? He did not have that kind of damage when fighting Rick, so...?

 

[RJDiogenes]

He's definitely dead. He got a bullet to the head, a stabbing, and a beating.

Yeah, when I watched it again I noticed that there was a blurring effect that made me think his mouth and eyes had moved. That's what I get for watching first thing in the morning, I guess.

 

[Mojochi]

Yeah, on closer look, he does look to have been chewed on a bit. I imagine the parts we don't see could be worse. The geeks tend to dive in, guts 1st, unless they have to attack a moving target, & then it's more limbs & neck

BTW, did cars suddenly stop working?

 

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, on closer look, he does look to have been chewed on a bit. I imagine the parts we don't see could be worse. The geeks tend to dive in, guts 1st, unless they have to attack a moving target, & then it's more limbs & neck

BTW, did cars suddenly stop working?

In "reality" they should no longer work. But, no, I just don't think anyone has gotten to one yet given we've only seen *one episode* of the second part of the season centered around Rick and Carl (who quickly took shelter) and Michonne who always seemed to prefer to walk wherever she went.

 

[Mojochi]

About a rendezvous point, where exactly would that even be? In the comics it was the farm, but that was because the farm wasn't overrun like on TV. It's not exactly like there's a safe place for them to be other than the prison. And at least they seemed to have an escape plan. The idea was that everybody was supposed to get on the bus, and if they don't, well that sucks but it's the same situation with Andrea and the farm. They also said something about an escape plan through the back where Tyreese and crew first came in, so it's not like they've completely blown off any such discussions.

It's not so much about a plan to escape, (Which you're right, they did seem to have one with the bus) but rather it's about a place to reconvene, which does not have to be a place like the prison where they're going to live as a fall back plan

A rendezvous point just means somewhere where we'll all meet up again, because there's safety in numbers. We need to stick together even if we get awkwardly seperated. This should certainly have been a priority after the events of Hershel's Farm, where some people never got found

It should be a landmark that is not far, somewhat secluded from walkers or enemies, & a place everyone knows how to get to. Hershel's farm, destroyed though it may be, is a common landmark, or Woodbury. Even though the Gov destroyed it, it's still an area many of them know how to get to, in order to regroup, and then seek out new accommodations as a stronger unit

& true enough, they may all still be in the process of trying to do that, but Michonne certainly didn't seem like that was her plan, when she flaked out on that herd because she couldn't stand the thought of wandering alone the rest of her days. The general feel of this final eight (So far) is that people think they're on their own again. It didn't have to be that way

 

[Ryan8bit]

It should be a landmark that is not far, somewhat secluded from walkers or enemies, & a place everyone knows how to get to.

Yeah, that all sounds theoretically good, but I don't really think there are such places. The farm and Woodbury are probably loaded up with walkers. They certainly couldn't wait there for the days that it might take for everyone to meet up. And I think that's the general idea of the prison population, that nowhere is safe. That's why they're in the prison to begin with after spending a winter scavenging through houses.

The meeting point of the spot they lost Sophia worked out only because everybody left the farm pretty much at the same time. But now people really are separate, having taken different paths out of there, and they would have to have a pretty secure place to wait the weeks it might take for everybody to reach the place. Maybe they didn't think it was very realistic to round up the stragglers given their escape plan.

But who knows, maybe they did have a meetup point? Michonne was just doing her own thing, and Carl and Rick seemed to think that everyone else was dead, so maybe that's why it wasn't discussed. Maybe we'll see a plan next week.

 

[sojourner]

I doubt that Carl and Rick thought everyone was dead. They just had more pressing priorities to deal with first.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Carl seemed to imply it with his monologue to Rick when he said, "They're all gone now" and "You couldn't protect them." And he puts Judith*, Hershel, and Lori, in the same sentence as Daryl, Glenn, Michonne and Maggie. It could be viewed either way, but I think Carl was concerned that everyone else was dead.

* Because he believes her to be dead. I think she's actually alive.

 

[wissaboo]

A meetup place would be useless if there happened to be a mega herd of zombies there that day

 

[Mojochi]

It's possible, maybe even dramatically probable, but I'll be surprised if we see that baby. Things are supposed to get grim

As for a feasible rendezvous point, I suppose if it were me, maybe a nearby barn or house that is a few hours walk from the prison, make a map to show everyone, a place they could hide out & maybe defend for a night or two. People were coming & going from that prison for quite some time. They should know the area well enough for that

Yeah, the way they split up, it could be days or weeks before any of them randomly reconnect, if ever. If there was something, anything for them to go on, it could have been much less, maybe even a same day regroup

 

[wissaboo]

maybe they do have a meetup plan but are all convinced they others are dead. In one of the previews Beth is arguing to Daryl that someone else must have survived. Above Ryan makes a good argument that Carl thinks everyone else is dead. Michonne seems pretty overwhelmed to find someone alive.

 

[dansigal]

It should be a landmark that is not far, somewhat secluded from walkers or enemies, & a place everyone knows how to get to.

Yeah, that all sounds theoretically good, but I don't really think there are such places.

Sure there are. What about the neighborhood they are in now, which seemed to be no more than a day or so's walk away. It's really no stretch of the imagination to say they should have had a planned general area that they made their way to in case of absolute emergency.

 

[wissaboo]

It should be a landmark that is not far, somewhat secluded from walkers or enemies, & a place everyone knows how to get to.

Yeah, that all sounds theoretically good, but I don't really think there are such places.

Sure there are. What about the neighborhood they are in now, which seemed to be no more than a day or so's walk away. It's really no stretch of the imagination to say they should have had a planned general area that they made their way to in case of absolute emergency.

Very few of the "inmates" were leaving the prison and quite likely wouldn't know the area that well. Also, just because there were no walkers in that neighbourhood today doesn't mean there won't be 5000 of them there tomorrow.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Yeah, that all sounds theoretically good, but I don't really think there are such places.

Sure there are. What about the neighborhood they are in now, which seemed to be no more than a day or so's walk away. It's really no stretch of the imagination to say they should have had a planned general area that they made their way to in case of absolute emergency.

Very few of the "inmates" were leaving the prison and quite likely wouldn't know the area that well. Also, just because there were no walkers in that neighbourhood today doesn't mean there won't be 5000 of them there tomorrow.

Or 5000 yesterday. I mean maybe that's the place that the walkers that kept coming to the prison were coming from. Prior experiences with the suburbs were that they were somewhat dangerous, potentially much more so. I wouldn't be surprised if they did encounter this place on their travels, but the streets were full of walkers.

 

[sojourner]

They should of all just met at the biker bar.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

I found it a little wierd that after many months living at the prison, that the Biker Bar, the surrounding neighborhoods, and everywhere Rick and Michonne and Carl were this week hadn't been absolutely picked over by that point. These were all withing walking / limping distance of the prison, and while the houses had been visibly ransacked there was plenty of stuff left over. The Walmart or whatever from earlier this season was also pretty healthily stocked...

Mark